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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi creation,
creation writes: No. In creation week days existed before the sun and moon. You sound like a young earth creationist. Where did the light of "Day One" come from? Do you believe the Hebrew word ברא and עשה are the same word? Do they look like the same word? Well they are not and they do not mean the same thing. The Hebrew word ברא is pronounced bra and means create and has God as the subject of the verb which it is. The Hebrew word עשה is pronounced ash and means made. But the Hebrew word יעש actually used in the original text means do work. Since the sun moon and stars are part of the universe they were created in Genesis 1:1 when the rest of the universe was created. But due to the darkness over the face of the earth they could not shine through and be seen from the earth. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Aussie,
Aussie writes:
I suspect you are a bit smarter than you are letting on. I doubt that as my memory is getting slow and weak, that is what happens when you get old. I do know that darkness is the absence of light.I also know that light is the absence of darkness. Different colors are produced by the different sensations on the eye produced as a result of the way the object reflects or emits light. Some people don't see colors as you do. Without light there is no color period. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. With the capabilities of the human body how can anyone believe in evolution. It is the most advanced piece of machinery that has ever been created. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Aussie,
Aussie writes: Then maybe this conversation will make a little more sense... creation can say anything he wants to say just as I can. But it makes no difference what either of us says. The only thing that matters is what God says. But creation and myself are too many billions of years apart in what we understand the Bible to say about creation. I could probably come to agreement with you a lot quicker. God Bless,
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hu Aussie
Aussie writes: Again, I'm really struggling to understand you here. I mean, what do you mean by "Dark?" I'm not being facetious here; you literally don't even know what color is...why would we expect you to be able to hold an intelligent conversation on light and darkness? They are all interrelated. Light and darkness are not interrelated. They can not exist in the same place or space. Light is the absence of darkness. Darkness is the absence of light. Color is the different sensations on the eye as a result of the way the object reflects or emits light. Some people don't see light like you do. So how do you know that what you see as red is really red. Your eyes could be fooling you. As far as that goes what difference does it make what color something is? So color is what you perceive it to be. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi creation,
creation writes: Eve was made too, no? That depends upon which woman you are talking about. The woman in Genesis 2:22:
quote: God took a part of this man who had been formed from the dust of the ground at a later event in duration and cloned a woman from that part. These 2 people were placed in a garden and the man was forbidden to eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The woman in Genesis 1:27:
quote: This man and woman was created (spoke into existence) at the same time and was not forbidden from eating fruit from any tree or herb on the earth.
quote: Notice the underlined words says nothing about a garden nor is any fruit from any tree forbidden to them. This couple was never placed in a garden and forbidden to eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. So to answer your question the woman cloned from the part of the man in Genesis 1:22 required God to do work meaning He did something to make her. He had also made, formed the man from the dust of the ground which required Him doing some work. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi creation,
creation writes: Fountains from the inner earth that had a pattern of watering the earth at certain times were not springs. There was different times of the day, for example the cool of the day. No rain. So it is logical to assume some founts would have some ebb and flow. [ You can assume anything you want to assume. That does not make your assumption correct. I live in Florida and we have many famous springs that water flows out of. So I am very familiar with springs. I would assume that Silver Springs Florida just outside of Ocala Florida is our most famous spring. It expels about 400+ million gallons of water per day. The volume has decreased during my lifetime from over 700 million gallons per day. That reduction is due to the water table being reduced in the aquifer reducing the pressure the flow is under. The Cresent Beach submarine spring has water flow into the Atlantic Ocean at a depth of 20M. The Atlantic has a tide which means the tide rises and falls. The flow of the spring would be a little smaller at high tide and the pressure from the 20+M of water would be greater. It would increase as the tide reduced the volume of water above exerting pressure on the water flow. There is never a point that the spring ceases to have flow and receives any water back into the ground. This is due to the source of the water that enters the ground and is expelled through the spring is at a higher point than the mouth of the spring. You can see the boil of the spring in a picture found at: Crescent Beach Submarine Spring – SJRWMD To have that big of an area of fresh water on top of the ocean require a lot of water coming out of the ground. Do you understand that the water exiting the spring is under pressure that is pushing the water out against the pressure exerted by the water in the ocean? God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi creation
creation writes: Ah, so to prop up your twisted interpretation of created or made you have to invent 2 Eves. I did not invent anything. There is a woman in Genesis 1:27 that was created at the same time as the man which was the last items after all other creatures. There was a woman in Genesis 2:22 that was cloned from the rib from the man that was the first living lifeform on earth. He existed before any plant or animal. The woman was cloned from his rib after all the animals and fowls were formed from the ground, and all plants and trees were in existence. You have to disagree as that destroys your YEC view. So since you disagree please explain how the two women are one. Better yet explain how the man formed from the dust of the ground in Genesis 2:7 can be the same man created in Genesis 1:27. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi creation,
creation writes: Waters from the fount of the deep were not like florida springs. They watered the earth, not some garden is south Miami. The oceans were not even here yet as we know them. Do you mean to tell me that there was no water that covered the entire earth at Genesis 1:2? I think that would be classified as an ocean. But I did not know that YEC's believed there was a time when there was no oceans. I do believe there was a time in the past that there was no oceans only a river that divided into 4 rivers to water the earth along with the mist. But that existed in the beginning and is required to have all the material that produced all the oil in the earth. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi creation,
creation writes: Hey, we don't know if there were oceans or not. There were seas. We know that there was lots of water as it was called the deep.
quote: If all the water was in one place that would mean there was one land mass that was dry. It would have had no bound lakes as the water would not be touching the rest of the water. We don't know the elevation of the dry land. It was just one continent. The Hebrew writer had a name for the body of water and it was not seas or oceans. Seas was provided by the translators. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi creation,
creation writes: Gen starts off in the first verse telling us it was already finished. Done. Complete. Yes according to the Hebrew text of Genesis 1:1 the universe was a completed job. But according to the text of the verse following verse 1 it was in a mess and could not be inhabited by mankind which it was created for. But there is a verse that claims to be the history of the day that God created the heaven and earth in.
quote: According to that verse the verses that follow give us the history of the creation of the universe, in the day the Lord God created it.
creation writes: So whatever we see in the rest of the chapter has to be read with that in mind. The woman talked about there was the one already created. It just tells us some details of how. The verses in Genesis 1:2 thru Genesis 2:3 does not tell us anything about the day the universe began to exist. They only tell us what happened after the earth was covered with water in Genesis 1:2. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Aussie,
Aussie writes: You and ICANT are getting painful to read. Sorry to cause you such pain. It seems like I cause a lot of people pain as what I believe about creation does not sit well with those who say they believe the Bible and those who believe the Bible is a myth. You see I believe the earth and universe are very old. Older than what science says it is. The light period of "Day One" lasted from the beginning until God created the darkness found at Genesis 1:2. What was the duration of that light period? There is no way of knowing, I only know that at least eight generations of people lived and built cities during that time which was destroyed before Genesis 1:2. Jeremiah told us of that world in chapter 4:23-28.
quote: Peter talked about the same world in 2 Peter 3:5-7.
quote: I have always been told Peter was talking about the flood. If he was why did he say the world perished. The world did not perish in the flood there was 8 people left on earth plus all the animals that was on the ark with them. He talks about Noah's flood in the second chapter, and says nothing about that world being destroyed. You see I believe the Bible.The man formed from the dust of the ground had to die in the same light period he was formed as he was told: quote: The original text says die surely die. The woman that was cloned from the man formed from the dust of the ground could not be the same woman created in Genesis 1:27 as the woman created was created at the same time as the man not cloned from the man. The man and woman created could not be the same man an woman in chapter two as they were never forbidden from eating any fruit from any tree. If that makes your pain greater forgive me. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi ringo,
ringo writes: There was one big body of water - an ocean. I am going to remember that the next time you argue the other side with me. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi creation
creation writes: . No, by the time the water and land was separated in the days of creation, There was land all over the globe. That land was covered with water. The water was gathered to one place which left some dry land not islands as ringo would have us to believe. Face not faces which islands would require.
quote: The people are one. In other words they are too much alike and speak the same language. There is nothing they won't be able to do.
quote: So from where they had gone after leaving the ark they were scattered upon the face of all the earth. Which bring me back to the dry land mass in Genesis 1:9, 10. The land mass of the earth that the man was formed from the dust of the ground had no sea, no seas, or oceans. It only had 1 river that divided into 4 rivers to water the face of the earth, along with the mist.
quote: God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi creation,
creation writes: You ask how God got water to earth? The water was already here. It covered the earth in Genesis 1:2. Why couldn't it do the same 2,000 years later? God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi creation
creation writes: Animals and man after the flood presumably still had one big land mass to spread out to. This suggests the continents moving came after. The people were scattered throughout the land mass and then the continents divided and all of them in Peleg's days. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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