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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I'm sure you would. You've been poisoned by right-wing politics to the extent that you would defy God. After all, the "platform" that you're so vehemently opposed to was instituted by Jesus and enforced byGod Himself. Just the fact that they were punished by death for such an offense is reason enough to ignore and oppose that entire platform. I don't care who the leader is.If someone told me that I would somehow be punished for not surrendering all that I owned, I would oppose such a person and platform and ideology 100%. And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
And yet he did. What part of AND do you not understand? Peter would not have talked about how he had complete control over his land, meaning the right to dispose of it at will, if he was doing anything wrong with respect to that fact. The only relevance of the "right" to the land is to underline the fact that God's law supersedes Roman law.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
My beliefs don't change the meaning of the English language. The Bible says what it says. Says the guy who believes neither exists! And Shakespeare said, "Methinks you and Faith protest too much." Deep down, I suspect that you can see the truth.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I don't claim "truth" of any message. I happen to agree with Jesus' message about helping each other - because it works. It makes the world a better place.
The problem, as you yourself would have accused us of, is when someone claims truth through one message over another. Phat writes:
Where did I say it should be accepted? I do wonder why people would claim to accept Jesus when they reject His message.
So even if you can claim that this message says what it says, you have provided no reason why such a message should be accepted. Phat writes:
And I have suggested no such thing. The instruction is to believers and no central governing authority has been mentioned. Get your head out of the right-wing propaganda.
There is no place on earth where all of the people are expected to surrender all that they have to a central governing authority. Phat writes:
No it isn't.
The point of contention is whether the governing authority should have the right to force me to give. Phat writes:
Nobody has suggested you should be forced to do anything. At best that's a strawman; at worst, it's an outright lie.
. I see no truth in being forced to fork it over in reality. Phat writes:
It's what the Bible says.
You have been poisoned by Left Wing ideology. Phat writes:
You have no clue, do you? Far far left.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Of course there was no explicit lie. The "lie" would appear to be more along the lines of a broken promise. They had agreed to give everything and they had reneged on that agreement. Broken promise, breach of contract, lie.... But the narrator, the writer of the Book of Acts, Luke, and Peter, both say he'd lied, so just because Ananias himself says nothing at that point we know he lied.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
That's ironic coming from somebody who thinks a talking snake is "reportage". People who think the Bible is fictional have no sense whatever of what it takes to write fiction, no sense of the different qualities of fiction versus reportage etc.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Sure I can. If you get a bill in the mail, does it matter what colour the envelope is? What matters is that you pay the bill.
You cant simply claim that any envelope can just as easily hold your letter. Phat writes:
Nope, still false, no matter how many times you repeat it. The message was already here. That particular messenger was just a reminder. (We are currently in a postal strike in Canada. If my bills don't come, I'm still responsible for paying them. I might have to use a different messenger, such as the Internet, but the amount owing is the same.)
The messenger is the message, for the messenger contains the message. Phat writes:
Putting the messenger ahead of the message is not accepting the message.
You claim that I want to belong to a club where I don't even accept the message. But this is not true. Phat writes:
I don't think I've ever said you were.
I'm not as stingy as you think... Phat writes:
I have said that being "selective" is often an excuse for being stingy. ...I'm just selective over how I give. Giving a dollar to a panhandler is more than just a down payment on a sandwich or a beer. It's treating him like a human being. They seem to like that.
Phat writes:
Then vote wisely. Never trust a politician who promises to cut taxes.
I don't trust that I will be taken care of. Phat writes:
The library is a ten-minute walk from my house. I have a dozen or so "library friends" that I know only at the library. The library encourages it to be a gathering place. (Imagine kids gathering to play computer games. It isn't as quiet as it used to be but we have to move with the times - resources aren't what they used to be.) Is the library within walking distance from your house? Where do the locals gather to socialize? Edited by ringo, : Spellin.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
I did. There was a picture of somebody believing that talking snakes are factual.
You might want to look up the word "ironic." Faith writes:
You're being dishonest. If you saw a newspaper article about a talking snake you wouldn't believe it for a second. I do believe there was a snake that communicated to Eve. Simple factual reporting.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
First of all it's based on your refusal to accept what the account actually says, that lying to the Holy Spirit is the reason the couple died.quote: And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
That's what I'm telling you. You're the one who said it was simple factual reporting. The Bible is not a newspaper.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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GDR writes:
To me, it seems pretty clear from a plain reading of the text that God killed them. The basic point though is that the God we see whose Word or nature is perfectly embodied by Jesus wouldn't have done nor commanded their death, whatever actually happened.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
I'm fine with that. It's what the text says. If the text doesn't support your theology, you should change your theology, not mangle the text.
The thing is though that in reading it that way we then have to reject the idea that Jesus perfectly embodied the nature of God. GDR writes:
But it's completely compatible with the Old Testament and Jesus affirmed the Old Testament.
A plain reading of the teaching of what we have from Jesus throughout the Gospels, and the Epistles for that matter, show that such an action would be completely foreign to the nature of God. GDR writes:
If the text doesn't support your theology, you should change your theology, not mangle the text. With this in mind we have to look for another explanation rather that the plain reading.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Surely you can figure that out for yourself. Long John Silver was made up but that doesn't give the reader leeway to believe that he escaped by flying saucer.
People claim that the Bible was made up anyway, so what difference does it make who comments or adds to the plain reading? Phat writes:
The Bible is the only source of your belief. If it wasn't for the Bible, you would never have heard of Jesus. You wouldn't know where the "communion" in your head was coming from. So throwing out the Bible leaves your belief on pretty shakey ground. Are you suggesting that sticking to plain textual interpretation is the only "true" belief?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That's irrelevant. The only evidence you have of what the Word ever was is what is written down.
We believe that the Word was the Word long before it was written down. Phat writes:
Also irrelevant. The only evidence you have that He ever existed is what's written down.
We also believe that Jesus existed long before the Bible was even written. Phat writes:
They were told the story from the book. Unless you have better examples than that, your belief doesn't hold any water.
We dont believe that it would be impossible to hear of or know of Jesus without the book...there have been many global converts who were simply told the story. Phat writes:
That's the problem. Your belief is made up despite what the book says.
... believers don't limit their understanding of God or Jesus to the book. Phat writes:
That's the problem. Imagine what would happen if you just made up phone numbers, not limiting yourself to what the phone book actually says.
My point is that belief is what people individually and collectively decide that it is. Phat writes:
It's funny how you have to go through contortions to avoid the "warped" theology that's actually in the Bible.
Otherwise, the majority of the church would agree with jars warped theology... Phat writes:
I don't think that's obvious at all. Obviously, the vast majority of Christians do not believe these things to be true.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Anybody with any sense. Who says?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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