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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
You are defeated by your inability to show your claims anything more than biased and belief based hooey. Hardly. Ignoring evidence does not make it disappear, nor does it explain the correlations. Tree ring age is documented by the annual tree rings that show characteristic growth patterns for the various seasons. These ages can be validated by cross-checking between chronologies and by correlations with other events of known age. Early growth rings can be compared to late growth rings to show the consistency of the characteristic growth patterns for the various seasons. These comprise a large set of objective, empirical evidence for actual age, not belief. The correlations with historical events and other chronological systems validate the accuracy of the measured time, and they are also based on objective empirical evidence to support them. You on the other hand believe in a magic time in the past, but have not presented any objective empirical evidence to support your claim.
You are defeated by your inability to show your claims anything more than biased and belief based hooey. The irony is amusing. Certainly in school we should teach students to be skeptical of claims, and to test them by seeing if there is evidence to support the claims. If there is evidence, that lends some credence to the claim, but if there is no evidence then the claim is unsupported and has little credence. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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I'll try again to lay out my points on why Dawkins comes across as suspicious to me from an agnostics perspective That is one person, not all biologists. You can say the same about other atheist that are not biologists. You cannot say the same about other biologists that are not atheists. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Not all that is taught in schools is science. This is news? Even the stuff that is taught as science filled with belief. There are comparative religions courses for example. They might deal in spirits in some way. For example the spirit that Mohamed spoke to. Nothing to do with natural only limited little science! How about sex ed? History..etc etc? It is not all science. No, but it all involves a cognitive framework for learning that is based on logic, objective information, facts and fact finding. Basically you want to teach students how to identify good information from bad, how to reach valid conclusions from information available, and how to learn valid knowledge.
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creation Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
chronologies and by correlations ALL based on the same belief.
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creation Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
We are tired of the godless framework that led nowhere and ended up in lunatic fables of the damned. Kids deserve better.
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creation Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
NOT Gabriel of the bible. No way.
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creation Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Your evidence spirits are not real..? Oh you have none, babble on.
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creation Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
No one needs an argument against the parts of what is called science falsely, that are nothing more than unsupported fables. They need an argument.
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
Nope. Creationism is dead. The world will go on quite nicely without it. If you want to resurrect it, YOU need an argument. If you don't provide one, it just makes it that much easier for us. No one needs an argument against the parts of what is called science falsely, that are nothing more than unsupported fables. They need an argument.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2285 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.2
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NOT Gabriel of the bible. No way.
Obviously given that the bible is a corruption of God's word, unlike the Holy Quran.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4409 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Your evidence spirits are not real..? Oh you have none, babble on. No evidence is needed to prove imaginary things are imaginary. I know it is a shock to you, but the tooth fairy is imaginary. Fictional characters are not real. Fiction is not real.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
chronologies and by correlations ALL based on the same belief. All tested, validated by peer review, replicated and documented conclusions based on evidence, not belief. The fact that you don't know what science is or how it operates leads you to false conclusions. Your further ignorance of what scientific conclusions are leads you to think they are the same as your basis for making conclusions -- belief. Dunning-Kruger Effect. Curiously, you are providing an excellent example of the difference between fact based learning and belief based indoctrination, and what should and should not be taught in public schools. The prime goal is learning how to learn, so that one can continue to learn after school is over. You want people to only learn your beliefs and the quit learning. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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We are tired of the godless framework that led nowhere and ended up in lunatic fables of the damned. Kids deserve better. There is no "we" there is only you desperately trying to fool yourself that reality isn't real. Kids definitely deserve better that fantasy based beliefs and religious indoctrination in the name of education. Teach kids how to learn, teach them how to fact-check information, teach them how to identify false premises and invalid logic structures, teach them to be open-minded but skeptical of unsupported claims, teach them how to make rational rather than emotional decisions. The god/s gave you a brain, use it. Use it to learn and understand life, the universe, and everything ... strive to reach your potential and keep going. Pass it on to the next generation so they can surpass your efforts. That is the goal of education. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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creation Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
There are believers. There are children of God, and children of Satan. Not one big happy family.
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creation Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Nothing is tested about nature in the far past actually. The models are constructed assuming it was the same. You test here and now. You use religion for tests, because it is only belief that says nature was the same. Proceeding as if it was the same without proving it is wasting time and indulging in beliefs. All correlations based on that are circular and belief based.
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