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caffeine Member (Idle past 1046 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined:
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So your claim was sarcasm, and you don't actually thin the current physics/nature we see is indicative of the future or past? Spit it out. Yesterday, I went to work. But how can I know this? How can I know that I was really here yesterday and these ideas were not implanted in a brain fully made this morning? I'm having difficulty seeing how your arguments about things a long way away or a long time ago differ from the above. You're just saying over and over "but maybe there's something that makes what's really x look like y!', without ever giving any idea of what x is or why anything would make it look like y.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
Hi Jon
Jon writes: Still confusing the units we chose (arbitrarily) with what is being measured. No I am not confusing the units of measurement we have devised to use to give us length width height or depth. with what they are used to measure. Neither do I confuse what a clock measures with what is being measured. A clock is a device devised to measure the duration between events in existence. But you did answer my question when you said: "we chose (arbitrarily)"The numbers are chosen by mankind arbitrarily that we use to measure anything with. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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JonF Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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The numbers are chosen by mankind arbitrarily that we use to measure anything with.
Yes, that was my point, except it's the units that are are arbitrary, not the number of units we get when we measure something. But we are measuring something with those arbitrary units. You asked:
What or who determines what an inch is? or a foot? or a yard? Who determines the length of a second? Today, official governmental or international standards bodies implementing arbitrarily chosen standards. In the past, whoever was in charge. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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creation Member (Idle past 1964 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
Not a thread for those who have a problem with yesterday.
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creation Member (Idle past 1964 days) Posts: 654 Joined: |
So you DO believe the current nature is indicative of the far past? Spit it out.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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creation writes: So you DO believe the current nature is indicative of the far past? Spit it out. What you or I believe is irrelevant to anyone but ourselves. It's what can be evidenced that matters. It should be obvious to you by now that the nonsense you make up impresses no-one but yourself so you should be asking yourself why. After all, the majority of us here are rational and prepared to accept well-founded ideas. I'd go as far as to say that if someone came here with a crazy idea that had a pile of evidence behind it, it would get a good listening to. But that never happens. What actually happens is that crazy people come here with crazy ideas and absolutely no evidence to support them so they blather on like you do until they get bored and disapear to troll another forum. They think that their demented ideas are brilliant but somehow can't get anyone but other loonies to listen to them. They should learn from this but they don't; the more actual evidence that's produced to show how wrong they are, the more they know that they're right. There's lots of terms for this effect but the simplest is delusion. You're just another clueless, childish crank.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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ICANT writes:
I'm pretty sure you have. Isn't that your misinterpretation of Genesis 1:9-10?
Who said it wasn't scattered all over the place. ICANT writes:
It was the people who were divided:
The earth was divided in the days of Peleg.quote: quote: Genesis 11 continues with the story of the Tower of babel - i.e. the people were divided by language.
ICANT writes:
According to Wikipedia:
Do you contend that there was never a time when there was one land mass? Pangaea comes to my mind.quote:You can't pick an arbitrary time period and pretend that it corresponds with "the beginning". And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
The only place to look it up is in the Bible. There is no corroborating evidence.
Lifespans changed greatly look it up. creation writes:
If you're referring to Genesis 6:2, what has that got to do with "spirits"?
Spirits no longer marry women and have babies on earth. Look it up. creation writes:
No, that is not evidence of fast tree growth. At best, it's evidence that the bird didn't find a tree the first time and he did find a tree the second time. If you send a bird to find a tree someplace there are no trees, and a week later it returns with evidence of a new tree...that is fast growth.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
The only quote I've seen is that the WATER was in one place:
However since the one place was a bible quote....quote:It doesn't say that the land was on one place. And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
We know there is no "firmament" for there to be windows in.
You claimed windows of heaven are fairy tales. Like you know? creation writes:
We also know that it takes a very long time. We can measure it happening on a year-to-year basis, so we know it couldn't have happened since the flood.
As for upheaval, we see that in the world so it had to have happened sometime. creation writes:
There's no Biblical basis for that. It's made up.
Many feel that mountains before the flood were smaller. creation writes:
Long before the flood - so the flood couldn't have covered them.
So the real high ones had to get here somehow, sometime. creation writes:
No, there is nothing either in the Bible or in reality to suggest any major changes in mountain height, etc. since the flood.
Looking at other big changes though, we can see that a lot of changes happened right after the flood period. creation writes:
The problem with that "key" is that it can't be tested until the future. You can't just assume that something will happen and then use that assumption as corroborating evidence.
Another way to cross check this in the bile is to look at the future. I would say that the future, not the present is the key to the past in the bible! creation writes:
Isaiah 40:4? Every island shall flee away and every mountain shall be made low, and a great quake will level all mountains and all skyscrapers (towers) on earth. One good fit for this would be a rapid returning to the way it was in the past!! No. Even if that does happen in the future, that's no indication that it's a "return" to the past.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
Hi Jon,
Jon writes: Today, official governmental or international standards bodies implementing arbitrarily chosen standards. In the past, whoever was in charge. So mankind decides what the units of measure is. Applies that to an application and gets a result. Therefore time is a concept of mankind devised to measure the duration between events in existence. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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JonF Member (Idle past 189 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Still confusing the units with what is being measured. The map is not the territory. The arbitrary units are not what is being measured.
The fact that we can measure time shows us that time exists independent of our measurements.
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
ICANT writes: What or who determines what an inch is? or a foot? or a yard? Who determines the length of a second? People do.
So mankind decides what the units of measure is. Applies that to an application and gets a result. Absolutely.
Therefore time is a concept of mankind devised to measure the duration between events in existence. No. Seconds are a concept of mankind devised to measure the duration of time between events in existence.Just as: Inches are a concept of mankind devised to measure the length of matter between points in existence. Seconds and inches are made up by mankind.Time and length are not. Time and length exist regardless of us measuring them. Seconds and inches only exist because we want to measure time and length as best we can. Again, time and length are treated by humans the same.If you want to argue that time is made up... you're also arguing that length is made up? I would think a builder would know that length itself is not made up. Just as the time it takes to build something. It doesn't matter if you measure 8 feet or 96 inches or 2.4384 meters or some value of some made up unit of the same length... they're all the same length.The length exists regardless of our measurement. It doesn't matter if you measure 10 seconds or 0.00277778 hours or 8.2672e^-6 fortnights or some value of some made up unit of the same time... they're all the same time.The time exists regardless of our measurement. Do you think length is real?You would at least be consistent if you didn't think length was real.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
Hi Stile
Stile writes: Seconds are a concept of mankind devised to measure the duration of time between events in existence. What are seconds?
quote:What is a second (s or sec)? According to that a second is a unit of time.This unit of time is what is used to measure the duration between events in existence. So explain to me how you can measure a unit of time with a unit of time.
Stile writes: Time and length exist regardless of us measuring them. You can measure the duration between events with units of time. But what is this time that you can measure it?
Stile writes: Just as the time it takes to build something. There is duration in existence between the start of building something and the finish of building that something. That duration is what is measured in seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, and years. You seem to be equating duration and time as the same thing.
Stile writes:
Sure length is just as real as duration between events is real. Do you think length is real? Time is what you measure duration between events with. So what is the problem? God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
Hi Jon,
Jon writes: The fact that we can measure time shows us that time exists independent of our measurements. Please explain to me what it is that you measure that is time? What do you use to measure time with? As I posted to Stile a second is the Standard International ( SI ) unit of time. It is not something you measure but something you measure with. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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