Creation

Yesterday, I went to work.But how can I know this? How can I know that I was really here yesterday and these ideas were not implanted in a brain fully made this morning?I'm having difficulty seeing how your arguments about things a long way away or a long time ago differ from the above. You're just saying over and over "but maybe there's something that makes what's really x look like y!', without ever giving any idea of what x is or why anything would make it look like y.

Hi Jon No I am not confusing the units of measurement we have devised to use to give us length width height or depth. with what they are used to measure.Neither do I confuse what a clock measures with what is being measured.A clock is a device devised to measure the duration between events in existence.But you did answer my question when you said: "we chose (arbitrarily)"
The numbers are chosen by mankind arbitrarily that we use to measure anything with.God Bless,

Yes, that was my point, except it's the units that are are arbitrary, not the number of units we get when we measure something.But we are measuring something with those arbitrary units.You asked: Today, official governmental or international standards bodies implementing arbitrarily chosen standards. In the past, whoever was in charge. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

Not a thread for those who have a problem with yesterday.

So you DO believe the current nature is indicative of the far past? Spit it out.

What you or I believe is irrelevant to anyone but ourselves. It's what can be evidenced that matters. It should be obvious to you by now that the nonsense you make up impresses no-one but yourself so you should be asking yourself why. After all, the majority of us here are rational and prepared to accept well-founded ideas. I'd go as far as to say that if someone came here with a crazy idea that had a pile of evidence behind it, it would get a good listening to.But that never happens. What actually happens is that crazy people come here with crazy ideas and absolutely no evidence to support them so they blather on like you do until they get bored and disapear to troll another forum. They think that their demented ideas are brilliant but somehow can't get anyone but other loonies to listen to them. They should learn from this but they don't; the more actual evidence that's produced to show how wrong they are, the more they know that they're right. There's lots of terms for this effect but the simplest is delusion.You're just another clueless, childish crank.

I'm pretty sure you have. Isn't that your misinterpretation of Genesis 1:9-10? It was the people who were divided:

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Genesis 10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

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Genesis 10:32 These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.

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Genesis 11 continues with the story of the Tower of babel - i.e. the people were divided by language. According to Wikipedia:

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Pangea was a supercontinent that existed during the late Paleozoic and early Mesozoic eras. It assembled from earlier continental units approximately 335 million years ago, and it began to break apart about 175 million years ago.

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You can't pick an arbitrary time period and pretend that it corresponds with "the beginning".

The only place to look it up is in the Bible. There is no corroborating evidence. If you're referring to Genesis 6:2, what has that got to do with "spirits"? No, that is not evidence of fast tree growth. At best, it's evidence that the bird didn't find a tree the first time and he did find a tree the second time.

The only quote I've seen is that the WATER was in one place:

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Genesis 1:9-10 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

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It doesn't say that the land was on one place.

We know there is no "firmament" for there to be windows in. We also know that it takes a very long time. We can measure it happening on a year-to-year basis, so we know it couldn't have happened since the flood. There's no Biblical basis for that. It's made up. Long before the flood - so the flood couldn't have covered them. No, there is nothing either in the Bible or in reality to suggest any major changes in mountain height, etc. since the flood. The problem with that "key" is that it can't be tested until the future. You can't just assume that something will happen and then use that assumption as corroborating evidence. Isaiah 40:4?No. Even if that does happen in the future, that's no indication that it's a "return" to the past.

Hi Jon, So mankind decides what the units of measure is. Applies that to an application and gets a result.Therefore time is a concept of mankind devised to measure the duration between events in existence.God Bless,

Still confusing the units with what is being measured. The map is not the territory. The arbitrary units are not what is being measured.The fact that we can measure time shows us that time exists independent of our measurements.

People do. Absolutely. No.Seconds are a concept of mankind devised to measure the duration of time between events in existence.
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Inches are a concept of mankind devised to measure the length of matter between points in existence.Seconds and inches are made up by mankind.
Time and length are not.Time and length exist regardless of us measuring them.Seconds and inches only exist because we want to measure time and length as best we can.Again, time and length are treated by humans the same.
If you want to argue that time is made up... you're also arguing that length is made up?
I would think a builder would know that length itself is not made up.
Just as the time it takes to build something.It doesn't matter if you measure 8 feet or 96 inches or 2.4384 meters or some value of some made up unit of the same length... they're all the same length.
The length exists regardless of our measurement.It doesn't matter if you measure 10 seconds or 0.00277778 hours or 8.2672e^-6 fortnights or some value of some made up unit of the same time... they're all the same time.
The time exists regardless of our measurement.Do you think length is real?
You would at least be consistent if you didn't think length was real.

Hi Stile What are seconds?

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The second (abbreviation, s or sec) is the Standard International ( SI ) unit of time.

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What is a second (s or sec)?According to that a second is a unit of time.
This unit of time is what is used to measure the duration between events in existence.So explain to me how you can measure a unit of time with a unit of time. You can measure the duration between events with units of time.But what is this time that you can measure it? There is duration in existence between the start of building something and the finish of building that something. That duration is what is measured in seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, and years.You seem to be equating duration and time as the same thing. Sure length is just as real as duration between events is real.Time is what you measure duration between events with.So what is the problem?God Bless,

Hi Jon, Please explain to me what it is that you measure that is time?What do you use to measure time with?As I posted to Stile a second is the Standard International ( SI ) unit of time. It is not something you measure but something you measure with.God Bless,