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edge Member (Idle past 1732 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
The correlations lose meaning when they only correlate in your head.
They correlate in reality. Why is that?
You have simply tried to offer your fantasy same state nature in the past belief as the reason we see patterns in nature now.
I have offered an explanation. That is what science does. You have no explanation.
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edge Member (Idle past 1732 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
Saying the word reality does not help your religion.
It was not intended to help anything. Sorry to confuse you with such big words.
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edge Member (Idle past 1732 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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We do not know what happened with fast growing trees.
So, that means you can make up whatever you want, yes?
What would happen in this nature is not the issue.
True enough. What we actually know is not an issue. What you seem to think that you know is another story.
Try to comprehend this..until you first prove there was a same nature, you simply may not use one.
Try to comprehend this: Until we have evidence of an alternative nature, the onus is on you to show that there is one.
Period.
Your opinion.
Get over it.
Your demand.
Multiple rings in a day does leave plenty of time for lots of rings in the hundred plus years after the flood which still had the former nature.
What 'multiple rings in a day'? Please elaborate.
Your claim there was no Babel is based on nothing.
Once again, true enough. We see plenty of your babble right here on these pages.
We are not here to indulge your strange dreams and preferences as to what happened in the past.
But we are here, indulging in your strange dreams and preferences.
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edge Member (Idle past 1732 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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Whatever the intention of misusing words, sorry, you may not claim reality.
I can claim conformity with reality. A reality that actually exists. You have nothing, but a deep state of denial and the notion that you can create your own reality.
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edge Member (Idle past 1732 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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Yes, if trees grew in weeks, ...
If ... ? Sure. And if your fantasies were real, then virtually anything could happen. Why not? And, be honest, you don't know anything about this alternate reality, do you? It's more fun that way, right?
it is logical that the many many rings in a tree would represent parts of a day.
Sure! It could be thousands of rings per day! That would be 'logical'. How many do you want?
How? Well, we would not look at this nature to learn that.
True. That way, we could just make stuff up to fit into our mythology. Why bother with the hassle of dealing with reality?
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edge Member (Idle past 1732 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
No. You may not claim any connection at all to reality.
Actually, I can. And it's a reality that actually exists!
Sorry.
I'm sure. You've been spewing this nonsense for years now. It's a fine time to be sorry. Edited by edge, : No reason given.
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edge Member (Idle past 1732 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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Let me know when you have real evidence.
Essentially, the 'previous state' argument enshrines ignorance. It states that we don't (can't) know the past and, that being the case, we can make up whatever we want. Both of these statements are ludicrous premises. And yet, this argument from ignorance appeals to some (or maybe it's just one).
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edge Member (Idle past 1732 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
Ignorance is when you do not know what nature existed.
And you don't.
No one cares what you believe or not about it.
What is there to believe?
The fraud of calling your lack of knowing 'science' is exposed.
The fraud of you making stuff up is exposed.
Obviously you cannot prove your claimed nature in the far past on earth.
Obviously, I can refer to a nature that actually exists.
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edge Member (Idle past 1732 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
No comment from the peanut gallery needed as to how many rings some fast growing tree in some different past nature grew.
So how many were there?
Since the rings in question are only a few hundred, basically it is a moot question.
What rings? You have shown us no rings.
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edge Member (Idle past 1732 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
How about the KT layer? Iridium is said to come from deep below the earth, and from space...exactly where the waters of the flood came from.
Yabut ... That's in the current state. In the previous state iridium came from unicorn tears.
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edge Member (Idle past 1732 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
We do know all the mountains will be flattened one day by the bible.
Actually, I think that erosion would be more dependable.
The history in that book deals with man and God. Not detailed physical geology.
Perhaps so. So, why not leave past processes up to the people who study these things?
If we accept that there was continents separating and mountain building from science, ...
We do ... at many different times in the past. Maybe you should learn something about it.
... then it had to have occurred somewhere in the framework laid out in Scripture.
I don't remember anything about plate tectonics in any scriptures.
The question becomes, when is the best fit?
Well, obviously, the best fit happens when you can make up whatever you want in an ad hoc manner, and you start to "fit" the facts into your own theory.
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edge Member (Idle past 1732 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
What I want to know from Creationists (Faith in particular) is how they answer the question of no observable genetic bottleneck amongst all living (and dead) creatures. This would naturally be present in the context of a global flood.
Oh, that's easy. They ignore it.
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edge Member (Idle past 1732 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
Yes we may refer to the current nature when talking about current things. It exists now.
And when we are talking about the past, it's okay to make stuff up, yes?
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edge Member (Idle past 1732 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined:
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If the meteor/asteroid with the iridium hit during the flood, the iridium would be mixed into many layers not just the one distinct layer.
Assuming the one-year flood scenario, yes. Virtually all layers would have some amount of anomalous iridium. As it is, the iridium layer is a fairly distinct deposit, occurring in what is is essentially an instant in geological time. It is what we call a chrono-stratigraphic unit (deposit), of the same age everywhere in the world.
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edge Member (Idle past 1732 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
Actually, no possibility you are correct whatsoever as far as the bible goes.
I shall defer to you and the Bible as experts in erosion.
When the mountains get flattened it is sudden, and simultaneous to all the towers on earth falling!
I can't wait!
It also happens when all islands flee away and move out of their place (the continents rejoining swiftly?)..and Jesus returning to earth. Forget your 'erosion' nonsense.
Okay does this happen in a past state, the current state or a state yet to be? And how do you know?
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