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Faith writes: Sorry for yelling at you in italics, but the subtlety of your own words seems to have been lost on you. I guess so. Tell me, do you honestly, hand on bible, think Jesus would walk through the streets carrying two hand guns and a knife or two? Was that his intended message?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ICANT writes:
If you met me on the street you would not know if I had my 44 magnum in my possession or not. If you met me in the woods you would see it hanging on my hip, and my shotgun in my hand or over my shoulder. The question was whether Jesus would approve of you carrying hand guns and knives around in public. Perhaps you could answer that.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ICANT writes: Peter had his sword which was the weapon of the day and he had not been forbidden from having it on his person. So why would He forbid me carrying my guns. There is some really bad people out there with really bad intentions. He told Peter to put his sword away, he taught turning the other cheek and peaceful protest, loving thy neighbour and doing the right thing. Did he carry a sword? Are you going to answer my question or keep on dodging?
quote: Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
ICANT writes: He did not tell Peter to throw his sword away. I didn't say he did, I said he told him to put it away. And I also said:
Are you going to answer my question or keep on dodging? The question was whether Jesus would approve of you carrying hand guns and knives around in public. Perhaps you could answer that. You're still dodging.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ICANT writes: He did not tell Peter to leave his sword locked up at the house did He? Still dodging. As this is the fourth evasion of my question, I'm taking it as an acceptance that you know that Jesus would not approve of you routinely carrying hand guns around in public just because it is legal to do so.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Straggler writes: One error of judgement on your part and it’s head blowing time. ICANT doesn't make errors of judgement, his septuagenarian body is honed, tuned and practiced, his reactions are faster than reflexes and his aim is deadly. In short, he’s Robocop.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
Similarly, when the poisonous 'town' gas was replaced by non-poisonous natural gas, suicide rates fell. Opportunity is a big driver.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ICANT writes: A law does not stop anybody from doing anything.It is against the law to kill people. Does that stop people from killing? It is against the law to drive without a license. Does that stop people from driving without a license? I suppose there must be creationists that aren't just plain stupid, but you wouldn't know it from reading the stuff they write here. The law doesn't stop anybody doing anything, it has to be backed by a criminal justice system - ie a police force that will arrest people who shoot other people, a prosecution service that will prosecute defendants, a court system that will try and convict a criminal and a penal service that will punish them. Having all that prevents most people committing crimes; it doesn't prevent all crime because people can be greedy, angry, drunk, drugged, mean, calculating and just plain stupid. It's called deterrence and it works.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ICANT writes: I didn't say that laws did not deter honest people from doing bad things. I think I'm going to have to leave this forum, I'm having great difficulty coping with the degree of irrationality and sheer stupidity you guys spout whilst just knowing that you're right. Do tell, why would an 'honest' person need to be deterred? When you've tortured your way out of that one, tell me what would happen if we removed all laws.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
He is good isn't he?
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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NosyNed writes: A statistical fact tells you about a number of samples. It does not tell you a "fact" about the specific case. The relevant fact is that he is statistically more at risk at home with a gun than without one (if, indeed, that's what they say). It's a statement of the obvious that statistics can't guarantee an individual event - they're probabilities.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Percy writes: As mass shootings pile up we keep hearing the common argument from the gun nut lobby about a good guy with a gun. That's easily shown to be garbage. Here in the UK we have a spate of knife violence, mostly among youth and gangs. No-one, but no-one is calling for more good guys to be armed with knives. It's obviously a really, really stupid thing to say.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
49 killed in a white extremist massacre in New Zealand.
Christchurch shootings: Brenton Tarrant appears in court - BBC News I was amazed to learn that NZ allows semi-automatic weapns in the hands of ordinary people. Unlike the USA I'm pretty certain that will now change.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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New Zealand Cabinet have agreed to change gun law and licencing. Detailed announcements next week expect to ban semi-automatic weapons and introduce a gun amnesty.
“This ultimately means that within 10 days of this horrific act of terrorism we will have announced reforms which will, I believe, make our community safer"Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Percy writes: The gun people have already told us of the terrible consequences New Zealanders will suffer for making it more difficult for the public to have guns. Quoting from posts to this thread and to the Police Shootings thread We have the experience is Australia to prove them wrong and shortly we'll have New Zealand. The gun nuts will still be in denial though.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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