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Message 1216 of 1229 (842809)
11-08-2018 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1193 by ringo
11-04-2018 1:35 PM


Re: Creation
Since sons of god are best interpreted as angels, that means spirits.
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Message 1217 of 1229 (842829)
11-08-2018 6:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1214 by creation
11-08-2018 3:42 PM


Re: Creation
Noah knew when he saw that fresh leaf from a tree that the thousands of animals were no able to leave the ark. Fast growing grass and trees mean lots of food now. That is the best interpretation.

Fiction is the best explanation.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 1218 of 1229 (842831)
11-08-2018 6:44 PM
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11-08-2018 3:45 PM


Re: Creation
Since sons of god are best interpreted as angels, that means spirits.

I thought humans were the sons of god? Why would that mean spirits?

I have always wondered, do you think angels are more closely related to birds (because they have feathers) or insects (because they have 3 pairs of appendages)?

Two arms, two legs, and two wings, how cool is that.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 1219 of 1229 (842858)
11-09-2018 10:39 AM
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11-08-2018 3:42 PM


Re: Creation
creation writes:

Noah knew when he saw that fresh leaf from a tree that the thousands of animals were no able to leave the ark. Fast growing grass and trees mean lots of food now. That is the best interpretation.


Fast-growing trees is not an explanation at all because there is no such thing as fast-growing trees.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 1220 of 1229 (842859)
11-09-2018 10:46 AM
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11-08-2018 3:43 PM


Re: Creation
creation writes:

It says the water and land were separated. It does not say that continents were formed then.


Whether it was continents or tiny islands is not relevant. The land was separated from the water and the dry land appeared.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 1221 of 1229 (842860)
11-09-2018 10:54 AM
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11-08-2018 3:45 PM


Re: Creation
creation writes:

Since sons of god are best interpreted as angels...


No it isn't.
quote:
Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

quote:
Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
etc.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 1222 of 1229 (843282)
11-15-2018 7:59 PM
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11-09-2018 10:54 AM


Re: Creation
Yes, it is. The title sons of god is best associated with angels in the OT.
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Message 1223 of 1229 (843283)
11-15-2018 8:00 PM
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11-09-2018 10:46 AM


Re: Creation
So?? Of course the land appeared.
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Message 1224 of 1229 (843284)
11-15-2018 8:00 PM
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11-09-2018 10:39 AM


Re: Creation
What there is no such thing as...now has no bearing on what things exist in the future or the far past.
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Message 1225 of 1229 (843286)
11-15-2018 8:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1218 by Tanypteryx
11-08-2018 6:44 PM


Re: Creation
"In the passages from Job and Psalms it is applied to supernatural beings or angels. In Job the "sons of God" are represented as appearing before the throne of Yahweh in heaven, ready to do Him service, and as shouting for joy at the creation of the earth, In the Psalms they are summoned to celebrate the glory of Yahweh, for there is none among them to be compared to Him. The phrase in these passages has no physical or moral reference. These heavenly beings are called "sons of God" or "sons of the 'elohim" simply as belonging to the same class or guild as the 'elohim, just as "sons of the prophets" denotes those who belong to the prophetic order (see A.B. Davidson, Commentary on Job 1:6)."
https://www.biblestudytools.com/...ias/isbe/sons-of-god.html
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Message 1226 of 1229 (843307)
11-16-2018 6:26 AM
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11-15-2018 8:04 PM


Re: Creation
Creation is a future prologue

Genesis 1 to 2.2 is a future prologue to the whole Bible, these things have yet to come, one clue to this is held within Creation day six that God created man in our own image, both man and woman?
God (as a single entity)
our image (more than one entity)?
taken from the definitive revised English version

Edited by Son of Man, : noticed mistake and added to inc. source


the first will be the last and the last will be the first.

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Message 1227 of 1229 (843321)
11-16-2018 11:14 AM
Reply to: Message 1222 by creation
11-15-2018 7:59 PM


Re: Creation
creation writes:

The title sons of god is best associated with angels in the OT.


"Best' is just your unsupported opinion. Another, more straightforward, interpretation is that the "sons of God' were the offspring of Seth - i.e. the "good" offspring of Adam, as opposed to the offspring of Cain, who were the "bad" offspring of Adam.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 1228 of 1229 (843322)
11-16-2018 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 1223 by creation
11-15-2018 8:00 PM


Re: Creation
creation writes:

So?? Of course the land appeared.


You claimed in Message 1215 that, "It says the water and land were separated. It does not say that continents were formed then." I'm just pointing out that the land was the continents.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 1229 of 1229 (843323)
11-16-2018 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 1224 by creation
11-15-2018 8:00 PM


Re: Creation
creation writes:

What there is no such thing as...now has no bearing on what things exist in the future or the far past.


It really does. If there are no fast-growing trees now, there's no reason to think there were fast-growing trees in Noah's time. Fast-growing trees are contra-indicated by everything we know about biology, chemistry, physics, etc.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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