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Faith 
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Message 76 of 5796 (842933)
11-10-2018 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by JonF
11-09-2018 6:36 PM


Re: Did the intern accost Acosta or did he accost her?
Some people protested outside Carlson's home.
The "protesters" have been identified as Antifa, a misnomer if ever there was one since they are the fascists, the brownshirt thugs, but anyway they banged on Tucker Carlson's door when he wasn't home, nor his children fortunately, but his wife was and she thought it was a home invasion and hid in the pantry from which she called 911, They didn't just "protest" they damaged the front door and they vandalized the car in the driveway. I don't even know why. I don't watch Tucker Carlson, I guess he said something that offended them. They should have been arrested but I don't think they were. These same people are the ones who run political opponents out of restaurants and other public places. WHY AREN'T YOU GUYS OBJECTING TO THIS? I'm sure not everyone on the Left is a totalitarian brownshirt thug or in favor or such tactics. WAKE UP.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 77 of 5796 (842934)
11-10-2018 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Faith
11-10-2018 1:12 PM


Re: Did the intern accost Acosta or did he accost her?
He questioned Trump's use of the term "invasion" to characterize the "caravan." Trump answered that they have a difference of opinion, but Acosta kept insisting on insinuating something racist in his characterization.
so asking a question is an insult? The caravan is not an invasion, it's thousands of miles away, full of refugees and isn't the first of it's kind, they've been happening for years. Seeking asylum is not against the law. I wonder where all this "respect for the presidency" that Trump demands was when there was a black man in the office.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
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Faith 
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Message 78 of 5796 (842935)
11-10-2018 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by DrJones*
11-10-2018 1:25 PM


Re: Did the intern accost Acosta or did he accost her?
You can spare me the Leftie rationalizations. They stated their intention of crashing the border, they are not all asylum seekers and they are not entitled to go about it by throwing rocks at authorities, which only shows they are not the kind of people any sane American would want entering the country. You people are blinded by your hatred of Trump's politics. You really really really need to wake up befor e something really horrible happens due to the violence being promoted on the Left.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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DrJones*
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Message 79 of 5796 (842936)
11-10-2018 1:39 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by Faith
11-10-2018 1:28 PM


Re: Did the intern accost Acosta or did he accost her?
they are not all asylum seekers
says who? sure Trump claimed there were middle eastern people in the caravan but when confronted with his lack of evidence for this claim he turned turtle like a whiny little piss baby.
they are not entitled to go about it by throwing rocks at authorities,
are all of them are throwing rocks?
they are not the kind of people any sane American would want entering the country
right cause sane americans don't give a fuck about people fleeing violence, like jesus said: "fuck you I got mine"
Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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JonF
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Message 80 of 5796 (842940)
11-10-2018 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Faith
11-10-2018 1:24 PM


Re: Did the intern accost Acosta or did he accost her?
Who identified the protest as a antifa, and based on what evidence?
You're a big fan of eyewitness evidence: I was at the protest outside Tucker Carlson’s house. Here’s what actually happened.
Seems to me that the protest was a bit much, but far from the riot portray in the right wing press.

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Faith 
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Message 81 of 5796 (842941)
11-10-2018 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by DrJones*
11-10-2018 1:39 PM


Re: Did the intern accost Acosta or did he accost her?
What's the matter with you? Oh yeah, you've been poisoned by leftist irrationality, poor thing. \\
You don't know who's in this "caravan" either so why are you pretending you know more than Trump? And why are you calling him names? Because that's all Leftists know how to do. You have no sense of decency, not one shred.
Then the non-rock throwers should separate themselves from the rock throwers and loudly protest them at least. Really they should be sitting in a Mexican jail by now. Is anything like that happening? And why are you defending the lawbreakers? What's with you crazy leftists anyway? Oh yeah, ideological poison, oh yeah.
Right we should want hateful violent people in the country just because they claim other hateful violent people are threatening them. Right. This makes SO much sense. As Trump so reasonably and sanely says, there are right ways to apply for asylum, and crashing our border is not the right way. So he wants to vet them. Sane rational policy.
Hey Jones, I suggest you move to Honduras where you may not have to feel guilty about getting yours. Good luck.

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Faith 
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Message 82 of 5796 (842942)
11-10-2018 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by JonF
11-10-2018 2:18 PM


The attack on Tucker Carlson
It was not portrayed as a "riot." It was portrayed as a loud protest that included violent enough banging on the front door to do damage to it, and vandalism of a car in the driveway, and enough to scare Carlson's wife into hiding in the pantry.
I have no reason to believe your account, why should I?
Do you also support the fascist creeps who accost political opponents in restaurants? Do you? What right do they have to make a ruckus outside Carlson's house? Let alone nearly bang down his door. What sort of "free speech" is this insanity?
WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING THIS STUFF?
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 83 of 5796 (842943)
11-10-2018 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Faith
11-10-2018 12:47 PM


Re: Not Honest nor Straightforward
It's a little more complicated than what you've read. It needs to be settled in court.
There is the Constitutional argument that Whitaker needs Senate approval. That needs to be hashed out. But there is more.
If Sessions resigned, it's probably OK. Formally he did resign but there is a legal principle called "constructive discharge" which applies when an employee technically quit, but felt he had no choice but to do so. Since Sessions' letter began
"At your request, I am submitting my resignation., it may have been firing by constructive discharge.
The Federal Vacancy Reform Act allows Whitaker's appointment, but it specifies that it applies in case of an official "dies, resigns, or is otherwise unable to perform the functions and duties of the office. So if Sessions was fired the FVRA may not apply and the Section 508 statute applies and the appointment is illegal.
The administration argues that Sessions resigned and the FVRA supersedes Section 508. Both of those claims are debatable.
There's a pretty even-handed summary at
Matthew Whitaker’s appointment as acting attorney general is almost certainly Illegal.

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JonF
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Message 84 of 5796 (842944)
11-10-2018 2:55 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by Faith
11-10-2018 2:29 PM


Re: The attack on Tucker Carlson
I have no reason to believe Carlson's account. Let's see photos of the alleged vandalism.
As I said, I think the protest was a little over the top. I feel the same about harassment in restaurants.
It's significant that you can't tell who identified the protestors as antifa, and what evidence led to that claim.
I'm not defending anything. I'm seeking the truth. Your account sounds like a significant exaggeration. So trot out your evidence.

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Faith 
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Message 85 of 5796 (842945)
11-10-2018 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by JonF
11-10-2018 2:47 PM


Re: Not Honest nor Straightforward
All this legal parsing is just time-consuming obstructionism. Why isn't firing just subsumed under "otherwise unable to perform the functions and duties of the office. If Obama had done exactly the same thing nobody would have been making such a fuss. This is all political and it is underhanded.

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PaulK
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Message 86 of 5796 (842946)
11-10-2018 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by Faith
11-10-2018 2:59 PM


Re: Not Honest nor Straightforward
quote:
All this legal parsing is just time-consuming obstructionism.
Given the current sensitivity of the office I think that scrutiny is both necessary and inevitable.
quote:
Why isn't firing just subsumed under "otherwise unable to perform the functions and duties of the office.
I’m not sure what your point is, especially as that would put Rosenstein in charge.
Correction. I see you are objecting to the law which allows the appointment of a replacement in some conditions but not if Sessions was fired. I guess it’s to make things more difficult for a President who tries to get out of trouble by firing officials as Nixon did. Which seems a valid reason.
quote:
If Obama had done exactly the same thing nobody would have been making such a fuss
Come off it. If Obama has been under investigation, sacked the Attorney General (after previously complaining that the AG should be protecting him, which is not the AG’s job) and bypassed the usual procedures to install a dubious character as acting AG you can bet there would be questions. Even from Democrats.
quote:
This is all political and it is underhanded.
I think that could be fairly applied to Trump’s actions, but certainly not to raising valid Constituional questions. If the President can appoint whoever he wants as acting AG whenever he wants doesn’t that mean that he can effectively bypass the Confirmation hearings?
Edited by PaulK, : Added correction

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Message 87 of 5796 (842947)
11-10-2018 3:38 PM
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11-10-2018 2:59 PM


Re: Not Honest nor Straightforward
Yeah, it's such a pain in the ass to do things legally. That's why the administration doesn't do it and gets slapped down so many times in court. We should just anoint Trump as dictator for life and get rid of the Constitution and all the laws.
The Constitution and our laws say that the President cannot appoint whoever he wants as acting AG whenever he wants. The issue is whether or not he can legally do so in this case.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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Message 88 of 5796 (842949)
11-10-2018 5:20 PM


Speaking of wussies:

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Message 89 of 5796 (842951)
11-11-2018 8:54 AM
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11-10-2018 5:20 PM


He’s been criticised for it by Tobias Ellwood (Minister for Defence) and Sir Nicholas Soames MP (a grandson of Winston Churchill). Both Tories.
BBC
With the appointment of Whitaker on top of that, US veterans have a right to feel upset with Trump.
New Miami Times - the scam targeted veterans in particular (although they weren’t choosy, they’d take money from anyone).

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Message 90 of 5796 (842952)
11-11-2018 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by Faith
11-08-2018 6:44 PM


Re: Did the intern accost Acosta or did he accost her?
Today I looked in on this thread for the first time and noticed that Faith commented on my Message 2583 from the The Trump Presidency thread about CNN's Jim Acosta being barred from the White House. Here's a video that begins after Acosta has asked his first question:
The entire exchange is captured in this video, I've queued it up to begin at the right time:
Here's a complete transcript of the exchange between Trump and Acosta:
quote:
Trump (first responding to previous reporter, then pointing at Jim Acosta): You heard my answer, go ahead.
Acosta: Thank you, Mr. President. I'd like to challenge you on one of the statements that you made in the tail end of the campaign, uh, in midterms...
Trump (interrupting): Here we go.
Acosta: ...that, well, if you don't mind, Mr. President, that this caravan was an invasion. As you know...
Trump (interrupting): I consider it to be an invasion.
Acosta: As you know, Mr. President, the caravan was not an invasion, it's a, it's a group of migrants moving up from Central America toward the border with the US, and...
Trump (talking over Acosta, sarcastically): Thank you for telling me that, I appreciate it.
Acosta: Why did you characterize it as such, uh, and...
Trump (interrupting): Because I consider it an invasion. You and I have a difference of opinion.
Acosta: But do you think that you demonized immigrants in this election...
Trump (talking over Acosta): Not at all, no, not at all. I want them to come into the country, but they have to come in legally. You know they have to come in, Jim, through a process. I want it to be a process, and I want people to come in, and we need the people.
Acosta: Your campaign...
Trump: Wait...
Acosta: Your campaign...
Trump: Wait, wait. You know why we need the people, don't you? Because we have hundreds of companies moving in. We need the people.
Acosta: Your campaign had an ad showing migrants climbing over walls and so on...
Trump (interrupting): Well, that's true.
Acosta: It for...
Trump (interrupting): They weren't actors.
Acosta: But it...
Trump (interrupting): They weren't actors.
Acosta: They're not going to be doing that...
Trump (interrupting): They weren't actors. No, it was true. Do you think they were actors? They weren't actors. They didn't come from Hollywood.
Acosta: Alright.
Trump: These were, these were people...this was an actual...you know, it happened a few days ago, and, uh,...
Acosta: They're hundreds of miles away, though. They're hundreds and hundreds of miles away.
Trump (interrupting): You know what?
Acosta: That's not an invasion.
Trump: Honestly, I think you should let me run the country, you run CNN,...
Acosta: Alright.
Trump: ...and if you did it well your ratings would be much better.
Acosta (intern begins approaching Acosta from his left): Let me ask...if...if I may ask you one more question...
Trump (interrupting): That's enough.
Acosta (intern leans into Acosta while he's speaking into the mic and makes first grab for it with right hand while Acosta leans away): Mr. President, if I may ask you one more question. Are you worried...
Trump (interrupting, more firmly): That's enough.
Acosta: Mr. President...
Trump (interrupting): That's enough.
Acosta (intern moves directly in front of and closer to Acosta while he's still talking into the mic and grabs for it with left hand): Can I ask one other...the other folks...
Trump (interrupting): That's enough.
Acosta: Pardon me, ma'am, I'm, I'm...Mr. President...
Trump (interrupting): That's enough.
Acosta (intern sits down): Mr. President, I have one other question,...
Trump (interrupting, probably calling on NBC's Peter Alexander):
Acosta: ...if I may ask, on the Russia investigation, are you concerned that, that you may have indictments...
Trump (interrupting): I'm not concerned about anything with the Russia investigation because it's a hoax.
Acosta: Are you...
Trump: (interrupting): That's enough, put down the mic.
Acosta: Mr. President, are you worried about indictments coming down in this investigation? (lowers mic and allows intern to take it)
NBC's Peter Alexander (intern has handed mic to Alexander): Mr. President...
Trump (interrupting Alexander and addressing himself to Acosta): I'll tell you what, CNN should be ashamed of itself having you working for them. You are a rude terrible person. You shouldn't be working for CNN.
Trump: (to Alexander) Go ahead.
Alexander: I, I think that's...
Trump (interrupting, directing his comments to Acosta again): You're a very rude person. The way you treat Sarah Huckabee is horrible, and the way you treat other people are horrible. You shouldn't treat people that way.
Trump (to Alexander): Go ahead.
Alexander: In, in...
Trump (interrupting) Go ahead, Peter, go ahead.
Alexander: In Jim's defense, I've traveled with him and watched him. He's a diligent reporter who busts hit butt...
Trump (interrupting) Well, I'm not a big fan of yours, either.
Alexander: I understand.
Trump: To be honest with you.
Alexander: So let...so let me ask you a question if I can. You repeatedly said...
Trump (interrupting and turning to the seated Acosta, sarcastically): You are, you are the best. (Acosta stands and speaks, but since he has no mic we cannot hear what he says, though we can faintly hear his voice)
Alexander: Mr. President, you repeatedly over, over the course...
Trump (interrupting and turning to the standing Acosta): Just sit down, please.
Trump (to the speaking Acosta): When you, when you report fake news...no. When you report fake news, which CNN does a lot, you are the enemy of the people.
Trump: (to Alexander): Go ahead.
About this exchange you say:
Faith writes:
No, Percy, Trump was the one attacked by the journalists, his reaction was correct. Acosta was being an activist and not a journalist, he was not asking questions, he was accusing the President of the usual PC perfidies, he was forcing his own definitions on the situation but when Trump did the right thing and ended his indefensible behavior it's Trump who gets the criticism, not the disruptor. When will this reign of Leftist media tyranny end, when the whole nation has gone up in flames?
Acosta's eventual question, after many interruptions, was about Trump's characterization of the migrant caravan as an invasion. He also pointed out that the migrants shown in Trump's campaign ad pushing against a wall couldn't have been from the migrant caravan since it's still hundreds of miles away. This is the campaign ad that even Fox News stopped running.
Trump didn't just interrupt Acosta and Alexander but nearly all reporters. I think if Trump had stopped interrupting that he would have gotten much more clearly expressed questions.
About the intern, Acosta never moved from his spot. It was the intern who moved into Acosta's personal space. The interns' job was to carry mics from one reporter to the next. They were not enforcers. But this intern decided to make it her responsibility to move into Acosta's personal space and physically wrest the mic from his hand while he was still speaking and gesturing.
The opinion on the right is against Acosta as a rude brat,...
If you watch the entire question period of the press conference you'll see that it was Trump who was repeatedly aggressive, hostile and rude based on whether he liked the question. He seemed to have walked into the press conference determined to pick fights, and this is backed up by the fact that he called on both Jim Acosta and Peter Alexander early on, two reporters he's clashed with in the past.
...and I think it's interesting that while as far as I've seen all the liberal-leftist opinion is in defense of the brat,...
Jim Acosta and all the other reporters who were abused by Trump (such as PBS's Yamiche Alcindor, a black reporter whose question about Trump declaring himself a nationalist Trump called racist) were just doing their job. Some do it more aggressively than others. Do you remember Sam Donaldson back during the Reagan years?
...the right is all against him, some immediately suggesting that he should be permanently banned from the White House.
Well, he has been banned from the White House, so the point is moot.
Why the partisan divide on a kerfuffle in the press conference where the "journalist" should have been escorted away forthwith?
I think Trump was out of line when he criticized Jim Acosta personally and called CNN the enemy of the people, and that Acosta was out of line when he stood up to reply even though he had no mic. Acosta's words cannot be heard, but I was able to make out the phrase "pipe bombs," so Acosta was evidently asking a question about the recent mailing of pipe bombs, then he sat down again.
(NOBODY would have talked to Obama the say this guy talked to Trump, or some of the other "journalists" there either for that matter, and if anyone had he'd have been gone gone gone and nobody would have mentioned it again.)
In eight years in office Obama never called the press the enemy of the people or fake news or any other derogatory terms, and he was never rude to reporters. He never determinedly pursued a hostile relationship with the press. But Trump was antagonistic and rude in his first press conference after the 2016 election, and also in his first press conference in February of last year. He was even more so in this just the second press conference of his presidency where you'd have to call his behavior a meltdown.
There's even been a big flap about whether Acosta physically pushed the intern who tried to get the mike from him, people poring over slow- motion video to determine the question. That has become the reason for ousting him but it shouldn't be in my opinion, his rude behavior should have been reason enough.
With Acosta leaning away from the intern and with the intern reaching her hands into his personal space, there's no case for criticizing Acosta's treatment of the intern. She's not security. She's not the enforcer. Her job was to carry the mic from one reporter to the next. Wresting mics from the hands of reporters still asking their questions was not her job.
Funny huh? Trump is right, the media are hostile, they are partisan Leftists, they've abandoned all claim to objectivity and even civility. How long is this going to go on?
The Acosta portion of the transcript is above. Acosta said nothing that was hostile or partisan. The hostility, the continual interruptions, the personal attacks, they all come from Trump, and also the lies, which the press deals with as best they can. President Trump has made 6,420 false or misleading claims over 649 days.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Fix last link of message to be to more recent data.

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