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Percy
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Message 91 of 5796 (842953)
11-11-2018 9:42 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by Faith
11-10-2018 2:29 PM


Re: The attack on Tucker Carlson
Just for the record, I condemn protests against political figures and commentators at their homes, such as just happened at Tucker Carlson's house, or in public places, such as at the Little Red Hen restaurant with Sarah Sander's dining party some months back.
CNN and the Washington Post both condemned the protest at Tucker Carlson's house.
--Percy

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Message 92 of 5796 (842954)
11-11-2018 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by Faith
11-10-2018 2:59 PM


Re: Not Honest nor Straightforward
All this legal parsing is just time-consuming obstructionism.
For someone throwing around the label fascist at at people who push the edges of the law, this comment shows a spectacular lack of self-awareness, even for you.

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Percy
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Message 93 of 5796 (842978)
11-11-2018 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Percy
11-11-2018 9:33 AM


Re: Did the intern accost Acosta or did he accost her?
Well, this is ironical. In a prior message I mentioned Sam Donaldson:
Percy writes:
Jim Acosta and all the other reporters who were abused by Trump (such as PBS's Yamiche Alcindor, a black reporter whose question about Trump declaring himself a nationalist Trump called racist) were just doing their job. Some do it more aggressively than others. Do you remember Sam Donaldson back during the Reagan years?
Well, Donaldson is still alive and kicking at age 84. In an email to Jim Acosta he said:
quote:
Keep it up, don't worry about the vicious attacks on you by anybody, and the threats and all of this. You're performing in the best appearance of a reporter, you're doing your job properly, and it's a badge of merit.
CNN says they have reached out to the White House concerning the Acosta suspension and have not yet heard back. Donaldson said he thought CNN had already sued and that there would be a court hearing this Tuesday, but he didn't say where he got this information, and no one else is reporting this, but some have commented about the possibility of CNN suing.
The Atlantic has an article on the issue (The Legal Precedent That Could Protect Jim Acosta’s Credentials) that reports that there is a legal precedent that dates back to a 1970's court ruling about a reporter's press credentials which says:
quote:
We further conclude that notice, opportunity to rebut, and a written decision are required because the denial of a pass potentially infringes upon First Amendment guarantees. Such impairment of this interest cannot be permitted to occur in the absence of adequate procedural due process.
There seems to have been no due process. If CNN decides to take this to court then the Trump White House will be forced through a process that will only bring further unwanted attention to their press hostility, and if the court case that established the precedent is a reliable indicator, they will lose.
Another comment about the intern: most people, regardless of political affiliation, seem to see the arm contact between the intern and Acosta as incidental. And my own view is that the intern was wrong and inappropriately aggressive in trying to wrench a mic away from a reporter still trying to ask a question.
--Percy

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Message 94 of 5796 (843005)
11-11-2018 4:25 PM
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11-08-2018 6:44 PM


Re: Did the intern accost Acosta or did he accost her?
Then there are the usual right wing publications, Drudge Report, Front Page Mag, Newsmax, Townhall, Breitbart, Alex Jones and others I'm forgetting.
I've got to be honest, what you consider 'the usual right wing publications' are what I would term 'tabloid sensationalists and the lunatic fringe'. Right-wing journalism, as opposed to clickbait and fabricated nonsense, I would tend to look for in places like the Times (London), Wall Street Journal, Financial Times, and National Review.

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Faith 
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Message 95 of 5796 (843008)
11-11-2018 4:40 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Capt Stormfield
11-11-2018 10:36 AM


Re: Not Honest nor Straightforward
For someone throwing around the label fascist at at people who push the edges of the law, this comment shows a spectacular lack of self-awareness, even for you.
Gosh, imagine that, it's the conservative's fault again although the whole thing of slinging around the term "fascist" is coming from the Left. That's what "Antifa" supposedly means, "Antifascist," so it is necessary to point out that THEY are the fascists, not the Right. And I remember those poor crazy people right after Trump's election, earnestly claiming that he's a fascist, and I'm sure they still have the same opinion. That's how they justify their violence and their "resistance" to a sitting Presdent elected by the other half of the population. Because of course if he's a Hitler we can't let him say or do anything and his supporters are just dupes and Nazis whether we know it or not so hurting us is OK too.
This is insanity, this is the biggest insanity of all the insanities comeing from the Left these days and it's the most dangerous one. Trump is no fascist, this is an evil accusation, at best excused only by the possibility that people don't have a clue what a fascist really is. And it makes for a smokescreen to cover the fac that they are the fascists these days. They are the brownshirts, they are the violent ones preying on innocent people in the service of their totalitarian ideology. The devil did his work awfully well on this one and i don't know how to wake up his victims who are out to make victims of the rest of us.
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Faith 
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Message 96 of 5796 (843009)
11-11-2018 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by Percy
11-11-2018 9:42 AM


Re: The attack on Tucker Carlson
I'm sure many who hate Trump would nevertheless condemn these violent actions, but the fact is it's not much and it's usually late.

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Message 97 of 5796 (843010)
11-11-2018 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by Faith
11-11-2018 4:40 PM


Re: Not Honest nor Straightforward
quote:
Gosh, imagine that, it's the conservative's fault again although the whole thing of slinging around the term "fascist" is coming from the Left. That's what "Antifa" supposedly means, "Antifascist," so it is necessary to point out that THEY are the fascists, not the Right
For the same reason you found it necessary to point out that it was the Democrats who were trying to stop Black people from voting. Even when everyone knows that’s currently a Republican tactic.
We all know that Trump is pushing nationalism, populism, xenophobia and a good dose of conspiracy theory to boot. That’s a lot more fascist than the demonstration outside Tucker Carlson’s house which seems to have been no more than a nuisance, unpleasant as it might have been.
And just a a reminder the people changing the Jews will not replace us in Charlottesville were from Unite the Right, not Antifa.

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Faith 
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Message 98 of 5796 (843013)
11-11-2018 5:13 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by JonF
11-10-2018 2:18 PM


The attack on Tucker Carlson's house
Who identified the protest as a antifa, and based on what evidence?
Fox at least said the protesters were Antifa, some other source I saw identified it as an "antifascist" group protesting racism.
You're a big fan of eyewitness evidence: I was at the protest outside Tucker Carlson’s house. Here’s what actually happened.
Seems to me that the protest was a bit much, but far from the riot portray in the right wing press.
Nobody should ever get away with chanting threats outside anyone's home ever. This isn't just a "bit much" these people should be sitting in jail right now. I didn't say it was a riot, I didn't hear it was a riot, I heard it was loud chanting and loud banging on the door that scared Tucker's wife into hiding in the pantry thinking it was a home invasion. But ANY gathering outside someone's home should get the people arrested.
Here's the video of the protest but I can barely make out the words they are chanting. I can't find the better ones for some reason though I think they are out there somewehre. Thiis one starts at 56. "We know where you sleep at night" sounds pretty threatening to me. But I don't think where they vandalized the car and cracked the door is on any video.
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Faith 
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Message 99 of 5796 (843014)
11-11-2018 5:22 PM
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11-11-2018 5:05 PM


Re: Not Honest nor Straightforward
Yeah I forgot all the Democrat racism is far enough in the past for you all to deny it. Sorry about that. But the rest of your accusations are just the usual unsubstantiated namecalling.
Nationalism and populism are not fascism, they are as he said based on a love of America and opposed to those who would trash every good virtuous thing that built this country. No, not racism, no not fascism, no not xenophobia. What a devilish brew of lies to misrepresent a movement by good solid virtuous peaceable fairminded Americans against leftist efforts to destroy the nation.

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Message 100 of 5796 (843017)
11-11-2018 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Taq
11-09-2018 4:59 PM


Re: Did the intern accost Acosta or did he accost her?
So you are saying that Acosta isn't allowed to have a view that differs from Trump's views? Acosta isn't allowed to ask questions of the President?
You guys are getting awfully good at this sort of twisting of what a person says and means. Last night I found this hearing of the conservative duo Diamond and Silk in which their interrogator did exactly this sort of twisting to accuse them of lying, which I wanted to post as an example of the genre as it were. I tried to find it this morning but I don't know why I can't. I can read on my own computer but can't write so Ihave to come to this public computer for a couple hourse every day and you'd think whatever I could find on my computer I could find on this one but I can't.
You know this is a lie but it serves to smear me and that's all that matters. That's all leftists ever do. Acosta deserved to be thrown out of the WH, he was grandstanding and accusing the President and not asking a legitimate question and then refused to yield the mike when told to and asked yet another question while other reporters had to wait. They don't like him either by the way. His right to his views is hardly impinged by the requirement that he behave civillly like a journalist in the WH. And now of course he's getting to pollute the whole country with his "views" as he takes them to liberal talk shows and all the rest of the left-infested media.
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Message 101 of 5796 (843018)
11-11-2018 5:47 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by Faith
11-11-2018 4:40 PM


Re: Not Honest nor Straightforward
Antifa is a very small portion of liberals. You are tarring all liberals with the same brush.
It's the equivalent of me saying all conservatives are KKK. I.e. it's BS.
Speaking of antifa, who determined the protestors at Carlson’s house were antifa, and based on what evidence?
I bet you assumed they were antifa because they were liberals.
BTW antifa does stand for antifascist. They are not fascists
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Message 102 of 5796 (843019)
11-11-2018 5:53 PM
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11-11-2018 5:47 PM


Re: Not Honest nor Straightforward
Antifa is a very small portion of liberals. You are tarring all liberals with the same brush.
I've done no suich thing. I showed Fox News referring to them as Antifa and mentioned another source that referred to them as an antifascist antiracist group. Nobody has said how they got identified that way.
It's the equivalent of me saying all conservatives are KKK. I.e. it's BS.
Except that I said no such thing. I keep saying I assume most of you would object to this. The problem si that you don't do it loudly and frequently enough. These guys are dangerous.
Speaking of antifa, who determined the protestors at Carlson’s house were antifa, and based on what evidence?
See above.
I bet you assumed they were antifa because they were liberals.
Of course you'd bet that though i said no such thing.
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Message 103 of 5796 (843020)
11-11-2018 5:58 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by Faith
11-11-2018 5:13 PM


Re: The attack on Tucker Carlson's house
OK, Fox and someone else claimed they were antifa. Based on what evidence? Were they wearing black? Face masks? Were they violent? (Some say yes, some say no. We need evidence. I didn't see anything in that video.) Why isn't Carlson posting pictures of his car and door?

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Percy
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Message 104 of 5796 (843021)
11-11-2018 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by Faith
11-11-2018 4:40 PM


Re: Not Honest nor Straightforward
Faith writes:
For someone throwing around the label fascist at people who push the edges of the law, this comment shows a spectacular lack of self-awareness, even for you.
Gosh, imagine that, it's the conservative's fault again although the whole thing of slinging around the term "fascist" is coming from the Left. That's what "Antifa" supposedly means, "Antifascist," so it is necessary to point out that THEY are the fascists, not the Right.
You're very confused. You're calling anti-fascists fascists. I assume everyone here is against most Antifa tactics, specifically property damage, physical violence, and harassment, and I think it is these tactics that are causing your confusion. A fascist isn't someone who employs these tactics, but rather someone who believes in an authoritarian nationalist right-wing style of government that can also include control of industry, suppression of criticism, and racism. Fascism is closer to the right-wing politics of Trump and yourself, and pretty far from the anti-right-wing politics of Antifa.
And I remember those poor crazy people right after Trump's election, earnestly claiming that he's a fascist,...
What I remember after the election is people expressing hope that Trump would become presidential. This didn't happen, and I think it would be more accurate to call Trump an autocrat.
...resistance" to a sitting President elected by the other half of the population.
All presidents are elected by less than half of the population. I think you meant to refer to "a sitting president elected by the other half of the voters." Trump was elected by less than half of voters, and although Clinton received more votes, she, too, received less than half of the votes.
Because of course if he's a Hitler...
Trump has done a great deal of damage to American institutions, like the Department of Justice, the FBI, the judiciary when they rule against him, and the integrity of elections that yield Democratic winners, and he believes people serving in his administration owe their loyalty to him rather than to the Constitution. We need someone to be president of all the United States, not just the Republicans.
...we can't let him say or do anything and his supporters are just dupes and Nazis whether we know it or not so hurting us is OK too.
Those of us who are not fans of Trump are definitely not fans of Antifa. In the same way,we would like to from those who *are* fans of Trump that they not support his attacks on American institutions and the Constitution. For example, just because someone believes we should build the wall doesn't mean they should also support everything else regarding immigration coming out of the Trump administration, such as family separation. It should be possible to support Trump without sacrificing your humanity.
This is insanity, this is the biggest insanity of all the insanities coming from the Left these days and it's the most dangerous one.
Calling something names is not an argument. It's just meaningless name calling. You haven't made any case for your views at all.
Trump is no fascist,...
If a fascist is someone who believes in an authoritarian nationalist right-wing style of government, then what part of the definition of fascism doesn't fit Trump?
...this is an evil accusation,...
The real question isn't whether the characterization is evil, but whether it is accurate.
...at best excused only by the possibility that people don't have a clue what a fascist really is.
It would seem that the one who doesn't know the definition of fascism is you.
And it makes for a smokescreen to cover the fac that they are the fascists these days.
Since no one arguing against you, and not Antifa either, is for an authoritarian nationalist right-wing style of government that can also include control of industry, suppression of criticism, and racism, I don't think any of them are fascists.
They are the brownshirts, they are the violent ones preying on innocent people...
These are tactics, not a political philosophy.
...in the service of their totalitarian ideology.
Except for you I think everyone here, and Antifa too, is against totalitarianism.
The devil did his work awfully well on this one and i don't know how to wake up his victims who are out to make victims of the rest of us.
The devil is strong is this one.
--Percy

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Message 105 of 5796 (843022)
11-11-2018 6:06 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by Percy
11-11-2018 2:26 PM


Re: Did the intern accost Acosta or did he accost her?
So Donaldson joins the liberal chorus, big deal. As I pointed out, ALL the conservative commentators see Acosta as at fault and the other side the reverse, although I think there were one or two who saw him as the one in the wrong. So what else is new? I don't see any excuse on the liberal side myself. He had his two questions, he refused to yield the mike and sit down, he even got another one answered nevertheless.
Trump behaved appropriately and even creditably in my opinion. The guy was out of line, he told him to sit down and yield the mike, the guy refused which was a bullying reaction. Oh gosh the Left is now suing Trump, well why not, they have no honesty or integrity when it comes to Trump, anything to attack the man, anything to drag things on with their smear campaign. The suit will be thrown out, it should be anyway but meanwhile they continue their obstructionist tactics. That's all they are.
The intern was following orders to pass the mike on to another person and I would agree she shouldn't have tried to grab it from him but she'd been told to pass it on and tried to do that. I don't think Acosta did anything more than just push her arm away however, I think that part is overblown. He was out of order in enough ways without that one.
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