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Message 163 of 5796 (843211)
11-14-2018 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by Faith
11-11-2018 7:35 PM


Re: An Antifa Supporter speaks
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however, I found this little gem. This guy who is a supporter of Antifa and a college professor, God help us, and I mean that, if this is a college professor we really need God's help. He justifies Antifa violence on the ground that "the community has a right to defend themselves against against people who they consider to be a threat" or something like that,
That is rather questionable. Carlson was badgering him at that point and obviously trying to get him to say that, and he obviously preferred peaceful protest.. And let us remember that he is explicitly talking about people who want to eliminate a large proportion of the population. To what extent would Jews have the right to resist another Hitler ?
(To be honest I think that Mossad would assassinate a second Hitler if he looked like getting anywhere.)
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but the point is they justify violence against perfectly innocent people, people who are doing nothing, but probably white people because some white people used to be racists against blacks
THAT is certainly NOT in the interview. He was clearly talking about violent extremists. Richard Spencer is not perfectly innocent. If he isn’t an actual Nazi he’s too damn close.
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That's my attempt to understand his ridiculous logic
Which rather obviously has nothing to do with what he said. Why is that Faith . Why do you have to invent these things ?

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Message 175 of 5796 (843300)
11-16-2018 3:14 AM
Reply to: Message 173 by Faith
11-16-2018 2:51 AM


Re: Violence breaks out as first wave of migrant caravan arrives in Tijuana, Mexico
And it seems to be largely due to the local residents, not the migrants.
...about 300 local residents gathered by the encampment to demand the migrants leave the upscale Playas de Tijuana neighborhood and go to the facility.
After midnight, residents assaulted journalists, injuring at least three, according to reporters on the scene
By 8:30 p.m., hundreds of residents and migrants had congregated by the beach, with local residents demanding the immigrants leave the public space at the beach.

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Message 183 of 5796 (843325)
11-16-2018 11:53 AM


Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
BBC
Cue howls of outrage from the usual suspects.

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Message 202 of 5796 (843423)
11-17-2018 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by Faith
11-17-2018 3:49 PM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
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Nevertheless the judgment is wacko.
Because following the law is wacko
At least now we know for sure what you mean by a fair trial.

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Message 213 of 5796 (843436)
11-17-2018 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 204 by Faith
11-17-2018 3:57 PM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
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Well, I do have a big problem with these activist judges that take it upon themselves to write the law instead of interpretating it, and defy the balance of powers.
By which you mean judges who make decisions you don’t like. The actual law doesn’t matter to you.
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This is a stupid decision, there is no right to be a boor in the White House.
By which you mean any hint of disagreeing with Trump’s opinions.
The fact remains that Acosta’s credentials were arbitrarily taken away on extremely dubious grounds and the government doesn’t have the right to do that. Due process is required.

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Message 216 of 5796 (843440)
11-17-2018 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 215 by Faith
11-17-2018 4:24 PM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
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OOO now there is a lovely example of just what i was talking about a few posts back of how I can't say anything without having some snarky mean construction put on it...
Because obviously nobody should notice that you are attacking the decision without any understanding of the law or the reasoning behind it.
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The law matters a great deal to me and this judgment is political twisting of the law
If that is true then let’s see the legal analysis which demonstrates it.
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That is wacko that due process is required beyond the clear fact that the man was rude.
The White House doesn’t seem to think that’s good enough. That’s why they went with the assault argument - which didn’t hold water.
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This is a privilege, not a right, he was out of order.
In other words he dared to question Trump’s opinion.

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Message 220 of 5796 (843450)
11-17-2018 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by Faith
11-17-2018 5:44 PM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
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How come NOBODY knows how this judge ruled?
There are plenty of reports. Even if you can’t see every detail there’s nothing obviously wrong in what has been said. And the Judge was obviously not happy with the White House being unable to say who made the decision - and the changing story about the reason for it can’t have helped.
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In other words nobody knows how the law was applied or the reasoning behind it as you put it. Nobody. You too.
Which means that your attacks on the judge were baseless and made without any real concern for the law. Just as I said.
You really have to stop behaving badly and then whining and lying when caught at it. As is your habit,
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What's the point in producing a legal analysis that is only going to be dismissed by a politically motivated judge anyway?
You mean what is the point in backing up your assertions here? It should be obvious. And of course the reason I challenged you to do so is obvious. If knew you couldn’t do it. I knew that you were at your usual trick of slandering someone who said something you didn’t like. And I was right. You can’t even stop when you’ve obviously been caught.
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The only thing that carries any weight is the final judgment no matter how wacko. There is something seriously wrong with this system we have that can become the source of tyrannical judicial oppression by "judges" who are nothing but politically motivated shysters.
And there you go again.
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And yes, I do think no reporter should "challenge" the President's opinion the way this arrogant upstart self-aggrandizing "reporter" did. Certainly not then arguing with him about it after he answered.
I think Trumps opinions - and his lies - should be challenged more.

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Message 232 of 5796 (843466)
11-18-2018 2:19 AM
Reply to: Message 224 by Faith
11-17-2018 10:30 PM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
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On Friday's Mark Levin Show, Federal Judge Timothy Kelly, has ruled, from the bench, a 14 day temporary restraining order that the White House give back Jim Acosta's hard press pass until due process can be afforded to him
Which is so normal it should be expected, given that the White House can’t - or won’t even identify who made the decision and seems uncertain on the reasons for it.
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The Court did not discuss the validity of CNN's first amendment claims, however the court does not allow media in the courtroom and we the American people have no idea exactly what took place in that courtroom. The U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia would not release a public transcript of today’s ruling on Acosta’s press pass unless we paid for each page of the document, filled out an extensive application, and got the approval of the court’s office. Freedom of the press, except when it comes to the federal judiciary.
Other news agencies seem to have done rather better. And let us note that Levin does not say that this is special to this case.
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Also, there is no requirement for the President to even hold a press conference or much less to call on certain reporter.
The court expressly mentioned that there was no requirement to call on Acosta - and I very much doubt that it suggested that there was a Constitutional requirement to call Press Conferences. Not that Levin would know.
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What we're witnessing here is judicial tyranny and all they care about is themselves.
In other words the judge is tyrannically denying the Executive’s rights to trample the Constitution. It’s pretty easy to see who wants tyranny.
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Later, Robert Mueller has submitted written questions to President Trump and he has easily answered them reiterating that there was no collusion and there should never have been an investigation or witch hunt as he calls it.
Aside from being outraged that Trump should be under investigation is there a point there ?
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Then, election recounts in Georgia and Florida seem to be unchanged despite the effort of the Democrats to change the results
Recounts are normal in close contests, not an effort to change results. Republicans call for them too.
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Meddling by the press, posting election projections before all precincts are counted is irresponsible; the press has a responsibility to report news for the people not for their own evil maniacal interests.
If anyone doubted that Levin was unhinged this pretty much proves it.

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Message 240 of 5796 (843523)
11-19-2018 12:14 AM
Reply to: Message 238 by Faith
11-18-2018 6:19 PM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
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Nobody called it a legal analysis that I know of, it's just a sketch of what is on the You Tube radio show I posted of Mark Levin. He specifically says at the beginning of his discussion of the judge's ruling -- about five or six I think -- that he and his wife and producer looked "in the usual places" for a transcript of the court proceeding and couldn't find it, so he was unable to analyze the ruling.
Funny that nothing of the sort is in your quote. So far as I know it’s normal for that court. Also it’s sort of odd that he knows less than all the other people who’ve covered it in the press.
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And yes he does complain a lot about the judge, that's his specialty you could say. He wrote a book about the out of control judiciary in this country ["Men in Black"], and on the program he quotes a Daniel Horowitz who has also written on the subject.
What a surprise to find him making baseless attacks on a conservative judge following the law then! Or not. There has to be some reason you like him.

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Message 246 of 5796 (843613)
11-19-2018 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by Faith
11-19-2018 3:52 PM


Re: Avenatti said "She hit me first."
The report about she hit me first came from a gossip site (TMZ) and also claimed that the woman was Avenatti’s wife. Avenatti’s wife denies it. It all comes down to the reliability of TMZ’s law enforcement sources and whether they were reporting something they had actually seen or just gossip - and I think that the odds must be on the latter.

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Message 248 of 5796 (843616)
11-19-2018 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by Faith
11-19-2018 4:10 PM


Re: Avenatti said "She hit me first."
The other reports all seem to be repeating what TMZ said. So it comes down to the reliability of TMZ and it’s sources. Which doesn’t seem that great to me. Maybe it is true, maybe it isn’t. There’s no way to be sure.

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Message 253 of 5796 (843630)
11-19-2018 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 250 by Faith
11-19-2018 4:15 PM


Re: Avenatti said "She hit me first."
I am not *assuming* that TMZ was the original source. TMZ claims to have gotten the information direct from their sources, other reports credit TMZ - or nobody. My position is based on those facts.

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Message 254 of 5796 (843633)
11-19-2018 4:46 PM
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11-19-2018 4:37 PM


Re: Avenatti said "She hit me first."
Today News seems to be a YouTube channel. Given the lack of official information from LAPD I have my doubts about their confirmation.

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Message 256 of 5796 (843642)
11-19-2018 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 255 by JonF
11-19-2018 5:23 PM


Re: Avenatti said "She hit me first."
The Daily Mail is hardly a great source. But given the way Wohl messed up the smear campaign against Mueller I doubt he has the competence to pull this off.

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Message 266 of 5796 (844863)
12-07-2018 12:12 AM
Reply to: Message 265 by Percy
12-06-2018 5:23 PM


Re: Ecuador Says Assange Can Leave Embassy
At present there’s no request to extradite Assange. The UK government can freely agree not to act on imaginary requests. I doubt that they’ve promised anything more.

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