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JonF
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Message 236 of 5796 (843489)
11-18-2018 9:51 AM
Reply to: Message 210 by Faith
11-17-2018 4:14 PM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
I didn't know about the ruling until I got here and you guys who posted on it should have given that information.
Yeah, there's no possibility of you finding out what you are talking about before posting.
Actually there is no ruling to be found, just news reports on what it supposedly says.
I swear I saw the ruling on some site, but I can't find it now.
CNN’s Jim Acosta Returns to the White House After Judge’s Ruling - The New York Times:
quote:
The administration’s process for barring the correspondent is still so shrouded in mystery that the government could not tell me who made the decision, Judge Kelly said from the bench. Taking away the pass that gave Mr. Acosta access to the White House amounted to a violation of his right to a fair and transparent process, the judge ruled.
...
"I want to emphasize the very limited nature of this ruling, he said, saying that it was not meant to enshrine journalists’ right to access. I have not determined that the First Amendment was violated here."
Note that the judge did not b rule that he had a right to enter the White House. He did rule that Acosta had a right to due process.
Other sites with similar coverage:
CNN-Trump lawsuit hearing: Judge orders White House to return Jim Acosta's press pass | CNN Business
CNN's Acosta back at White House after judge's ruling | AP News
Jim Acosta press pass ruling: White House ordered to return press pass after revoking CNN anchor's hard pass last week - CBS News

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JonF
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Message 237 of 5796 (843490)
11-18-2018 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 224 by Faith
11-17-2018 10:30 PM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
quote:
On Friday's Mark Levin Show, Federal Judge Timothy Kelly, has ruled, from the bench, a 14 day temporary restraining order that the White House give back Jim Acosta's hard press pass until due process can be afforded to him. The Court did not discuss the validity of CNN's first amendment claims, however the court does not allow media in the courtroom and we the American people have no idea exactly what took place in that courtroom. The U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia would not release a public transcript of today’s ruling on Acosta’s press pass unless we paid for each page of the document, filled out an extensive application, and got the approval of the court’s office. Freedom of the press, except when it comes to the federal judiciary. Also, there is no requirement for the President to even hold a press conference or much less to call on certain reporter. We don't need a jerk in a black robe to tell us that this isn't constitutional, we know that because this is a clear violation of the separation of powers. What we're witnessing here is judicial tyranny and all they care about is themselves. Later, Robert Mueller has submitted written questions to President Trump and he has easily answered them reiterating that there was no collusion and there should never have been an investigation or witch hunt as he calls it. Then, election recounts in Georgia and Florida seem to be unchanged despite the effort of the Democrats to change the results. Meddling by the press, posting election projections before all precincts are counted is irresponsible; the press has a responsibility to report news for the people not for their own evil maniacal interests.
You call that a legal analysis? One vague reference to one legal principle?
Followed by unhinged rants about how easily Trump answered Mueller's questions. (for which we only have Trump's worthless word, and do you really believe Trump answered them?) and more election bullshit.
Yeah, some analysis..
ABE: I just realized that the one mention of a legal principle is not about the legal issues or the reasons for his decision. It's about his disapproval of the judge applying the law as he (the judge) sees it.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 242 of 5796 (843551)
11-19-2018 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 238 by Faith
11-18-2018 6:19 PM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
You were asked for an analysis. That's an unhinged rant, not any kind of analysis.
The transcript is available. Not free except for interested parties. I don't know where.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 255 of 5796 (843640)
11-19-2018 5:23 PM
Reply to: Message 254 by PaulK
11-19-2018 4:46 PM


Re: Avenatti said "She hit me first."

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JonF
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Message 293 of 5796 (845158)
12-12-2018 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 286 by Taq
12-12-2018 1:01 PM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
Trump did allegedly break campaign finance laws while he was a candidate and afterwards. That's what Cohen accused him of.
ABE Not only Cohen but the publishers of the National Enquirer admitted, in their plea deal:
quote:
AMI admitted that it made the $150,000 payment in concert with a candidate’s presidential campaign, and in order to ensure that the woman did not publicize damaging allegations about the candidate before the 2016 presidential election. AMI further admitted that its principal purpose in making the payment was to suppress the woman’s story so as to prevent it from influencing the election.
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JonF
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Message 311 of 5796 (845251)
12-13-2018 5:49 PM


I don't want Trump to be kicked out or resign. Yes, he's caused incredible damage to America and the world. Yes, he is going to keep it up at the same level or worse. Yes, it'll take decades to recover what can be recovered; IMHO our world leadership isn't coming back.
But Pence would make him look like a piker. They're both evil but Pence is far, far more competent at doing evil.

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JonF
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Message 312 of 5796 (845252)
12-13-2018 5:55 PM
Reply to: Message 310 by Faith
12-13-2018 5:48 PM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
BS.
Quote someone saying that. Certainly the vast majority of people at his rallies thought he was going to make some seemingly impossible deal with Mexico to put up the money directly.
They failed to account for the fact that he can't make deals or negotiate. His only tactic is bullying and he can't even conceive of a win-win.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 321 of 5796 (845261)
12-13-2018 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 313 by Faith
12-13-2018 5:58 PM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
Repeating lies doesn't make them true. The dossier has been partially confirmed and none of it has been debunked. It was opposition research, which is SOP at all levels of politics. The many indictments, convictions, and guilty pleas have incontrovertibly established conspiracy between Russians and several of Trump's campaign staff, some at very high levels. The only remaining question is if Trump or his family were involved. Personally I think Trump wasn't involved; the Russians are too smart to tell secrets to an incorrigible blabbermouth.
The right is frantically trying to spin Trump’s felonies, as attested to by multiple independent witnesses. I don't know where it's going, but it's going somewhere.They are criminal felonies . Period.
I know it's anathema to you, but you would be much more successful if you brought up at least some evidence rather than unsupported rants.

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JonF
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Message 326 of 5796 (845266)
12-13-2018 6:28 PM
Reply to: Message 320 by Faith
12-13-2018 6:17 PM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
Nobody "admitted" that any portion of the dossier is fake. Some of it has been confirmed including some within the past few days: Mueller probe shows parts of Steele dossier true
Without a name and a quote you got nuthin'.

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JonF
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Message 328 of 5796 (845269)
12-13-2018 6:43 PM
Reply to: Message 327 by Faith
12-13-2018 6:31 PM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
https://www.washingtonpost.com/...e4-c381214de1a3_story.html
quote:
Donald Trump says he would force Mexico to pay for a border wall as president by threatening to cut off the flow of billions of dollars in payments that immigrants send home to the country, an idea that could decimate the Mexican economy and set up an unprecedented showdown between the United States and a key regional ally.
In a two-page memo to The Washington Post, Trump outlined for the first time how he would seek to force Mexico to pay for his 1,000-mile border fence, which Trump has made a cornerstone of his presidential campaign and which has been repeatedly scoffed at by current and former Mexican leaders.
If Mexico is going to "pay" for the wall, we'll need to collect a few tens of billions that we wouldn't collect without a wall. What's the plan? Trump’s renegotiated NAFTA won't do that, even if it passes as-is (doubtful).

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JonF
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Posts: 6174
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Message 350 of 5796 (845317)
12-14-2018 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 329 by Faith
12-13-2018 6:48 PM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
Dossier is partially verified.
It's not totally trumped up.
It also was not the basis for the FISA warrant on Carter Page.
So what's the big deal about it?

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JonF
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Message 351 of 5796 (845318)
12-14-2018 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 330 by Faith
12-13-2018 6:52 PM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
Cutting off that flow of money immigrants send to Mexico should pay for it without any other deal being made
Which he's never going to do. For one thing, it's not possible to close off all those avenues. For another, Mexico would retaliate.
And there are other laws that could be passed cutting off what illegal immigration costs us.
What laws are possible and likely?
But you are still missing the key point; if Mexico is going to pay for the wall in any real sense, we need to collect money from them that we would not have collected if there was no wall. None of those laws and actions rely on there being a wall.

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JonF
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Message 352 of 5796 (845319)
12-14-2018 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 334 by Faith
12-13-2018 7:24 PM


Re: The Faith Fact Checker
{snip evidence-free rant}
Snore. Wake me up when you have some actual evidence that any of those things happened.
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JonF
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Posts: 6174
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Message 353 of 5796 (845320)
12-14-2018 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 335 by Faith
12-13-2018 7:39 PM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
I don't have a source of that 85% poll statistic, it's something I heard on at least one talk show. It looks too high even to me now and maybe I misheard what it was about. But Trump was elected predominantly on his desire to build the wall so it has to be at least the percentage of those who voted for him who continue to support it, and adding some from the opposition would make sense too, even those who otherwise oppose his policies.
The 35% or thereabouts that will never face reality about Trump are still for it. It doesn't make sense for anyone else to be for the wall, and indeed they aren't.

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JonF
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Message 354 of 5796 (845321)
12-14-2018 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 336 by Faith
12-13-2018 7:41 PM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
What is the big deal about a government shutdown? Most functions remain in operation
Cruz's shutdown in 2103 cost the government $24 billion they wouldn't have spent without a shutdown.
What happens during a government shutdown? 7 things you should know | Fox News
quote:
"Essential staff at top level agencies would continue working, but most federal employees whose jobs aren’t vital would likely be sent home," Goldwein said.
For example, those who work at national parks, monuments and museums would be told to go home.
"It doesn’t feel awesome to be told you’re not an essential employee. It's a little demoralizing to go home because you’re not important," Goldwein added.
In the 2013 shutdown, roughly 850,000 employees were furloughed per day, according to the Office of Management and Budget.
But not everyone is required to take unpaid leave.
The president, presidential appointees and members of Congress are exempt. The Postal Service, the TSA and Air Traffic Control will also continue business as usual.
Americans will still be able to get their Social Security and Medicare benefits and food stamps. However, people expecting VA benefits, unemployment benefits, farm subsidies and tax refunds may experience delays.
and everybody gets paid during the time off
Nope, and it's not guaranteed that they'd ever be paid.
quote:
Most likely. The problem: They're not sure when they'll get their money.
"Everyone loses from the government shutdown. An employee loses their paycheck at the time he or she needs it," Goldwein said. "Ultimately, we’re going to fund it anyway. It’s kind of silly."
Federal employees typically receive back pay shortly upon their return, though, Goldwein says, nothing is certain. Every agency has their own contingency plan in the event of a shutdown.
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