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AZPaul3
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Message 286 of 300 (727148)
05-15-2014 6:43 PM
Reply to: Message 285 by NoNukes
05-15-2014 10:23 AM


Who's holding the gun?
From Planck intermediate results. XIX. An overview of the polarized
thermal emission from Galactic dust
, May 6, 2014

quote:
The cosmic infrared background (CIB) is due to emission from a large number of distant galaxies with random orientations and is expected to be, on average, unpolarized. However, it can contribute non-negligible emission at 353 GHz in low brightness regions of the sky and hence reduces the apparent degree of dust polarization.

From what I understand the BICEP2 team requested the CIB data for their patch of low brightness sky from the Planck collaboration some time ago but the Planck team had not been forthcoming. In this latest Planck report, with the above caveat added, that BICEP portion of the sky, along with others, has been masked out.

The BICEP2 team worked with what they thought was adequate data from an older Planck map that did not account for the above because the Planck folks did not reveal this caveat or their original data.

Being so familiar with the intricate details of their work the BICEP team feels there is enough to be confident about. If this thing does fall dead BICEP2 will get the blame even though (it could appear that) Planck pulled the trigger.

I could become a conspiracy nut on this.

oops ... Source PDF section 2.4, page 8

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Message 287 of 300 (737568)
09-27-2014 12:17 AM
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03-20-2014 11:51 AM


big bang found??
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Message 288 of 300 (737626)
09-27-2014 8:57 PM
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09-27-2014 12:17 AM


Update
big bang found??

Maybe the evidence described in this thread isn't...

http://resonaances.blogspot.com/

quote:
As you already know, Planck finally came out of the closet. The Monday paper shows that the galactic dust polarization fraction in the BICEP window is larger than predicted by pre-Planck models, as previously suggested by an independent theorist's analysis. As a result, the dust contribution to the B-mode power spectrum at moderate multipoles is about 4 times larger than estimated by BICEP. This implies that the dust alone can account for the signal strength reported by BICEP in March this year, without invoking a primordial component from the early universe.

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NoNukes
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Message 289 of 300 (737627)
09-27-2014 9:00 PM
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09-27-2014 12:17 AM


Update
duplicate

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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PaulGL
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Message 290 of 300 (737708)
09-28-2014 5:44 PM


Genesis 1:1 = 'Big Bang'
If the Bible is the Word of God, then science cannot help but substantiate its validity- there should be no actual conflict between the two. The paramount question, for both "evolutionists" and "Creationists," should be: "Do evolution and Genesis concur?" In other words, is Genesis (particularly Chapters One and Two) an account of the evolutionary process, as we understand it?

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. (Gen. 1:1)

By faith we understand that the worlds have been framed by the word of God, so that what is seen hath not been made out of things which appear. (Heb. 11:3)

Now, in the inspired description or what took place in the beginning, the heaven and earth are not said to have been molded, fashioned, or made out of material, but to have been created (bara). For, whatever may have been the original meaning of the word bara, it seems certain that in this and similar passages it is used for calling into being without the aid of preexisting material. 142

Or, he may declare, "it is all very well to say there was a huge explosion at what we call the beginning; but what about prior to that time?" In one confounding form or another, rest assured, the question is an often-repeated one.
Unfortunately, there is really no good answer to it....
In truth, in direct response to the question, all that can safely be said is that after the beginning things were different from what they were before. That's the best we can do; we will just have to leave it at that.143

As we have seen, the Scriptural account that God created the heavens out of nothing- that at a certain point time and space began whereas they had previously not existed- has been substantiated by the "big bang" theory, which has been verified by concrete, scientific evidence.

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Message 291 of 300 (737711)
09-28-2014 6:01 PM
Reply to: Message 290 by PaulGL
09-28-2014 5:44 PM


Re: Genesis 1:1 = 'Big Bang'
time and space began whereas they had previously

I don't think you thought this bit through. Think about what previously means when you're taking about time beginning.


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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Message 292 of 300 (737961)
10-02-2014 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Tangle
03-18-2014 9:21 AM


The creation of humans has nothing to do with the origin/formation/creation of the universe or whatever you wanna call it.
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Message 293 of 300 (737984)
10-03-2014 8:06 AM
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10-02-2014 8:17 PM


Welcome to EvC Forum
Hi Djufo,

Welcome to EvC Forum!

Tangle, the member you replied to, is well aware that human origins and the Big Bang are separate topics, but his post was about the Big Bang, not human origins. This thread is in the Big Bang and Cosmology forum - threads discussing human origins can be found over at the Human Origins and Evolution forum.


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Arkangel Daniel
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Message 294 of 300 (843678)
11-20-2018 4:21 AM
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03-18-2014 9:21 AM


Detection of a gravity wave does not mean that a big bang happened. The universe was created galaxy by galaxy by God and galactic movement originates from the point where the machinery exists that constructed each galaxy. Galactic movement is supposed to end when the Galaxies reach the centre of the universes dimension. The existence of Black holes debunks the big bang theory in my view since it indicates stars get their fuel from another dimension and someone else must have put it there-God. I am the Arkangel Daniel and I am from Heaven.
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Message 295 of 300 (843679)
11-20-2018 4:28 AM
Reply to: Message 294 by Arkangel Daniel
11-20-2018 4:21 AM


Sent From Heaven With Questions Or With Answers?
Stop with the science fiction. This is a Science Forum--not a Science Fiction one.

Can you answer me a couple of questions, however?
1) Are you interested in the true science behind cosmology?
2) Do you also enjoy RPG gaming and the imagination of roleplay and creative writing in regards to science fiction? Because if so, I encourage you to pursue that one.

3) Finally...are you a believer in God through Jesus Christ? Is there any question in your mind what actually happened? (in regards to creation) Keep in mind that we are evaluating your replies in light of science and not religion...though honesty can lead to a better understanding of both.

Also...I sent you a private message. In essence, I said the following:

quote:
You DO have a good imagination! If you would like, I can let you start your own topic if you want to imagine a story to tell us. Keep in mind that even a science fiction/fantasy author needs to learn discipline in regards to writing such a book. Let me know if you want to have a topic..I'll promote it if you provide a good opening post. Besides, it is much more rewarding than trolling. Message me back. Tell me what you think!

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Arkangel Daniel
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Message 296 of 300 (843731)
11-20-2018 1:07 PM
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Re: Sent From Heaven With Questions Or With Answers?
My statement actually supports the idea of creation and debunks the big bang theory based on observation which everyone has seen. Black holes pull very large objects into them such as planets and stars, they clearly go into another dimension. So a definition in this case of a dimension it is a sphere shaped location not in this universe. How God creates dimensions is by combining a worm hole entry point and exit point at the same location which separates into its own dimension. In order to accomplish this God used gravity element and worm hole element. Worm holes can also when influenced by gravity and other forces produce an exit point which emits particles. God used these particles to make planets and stars. So these are not on any book on Earth, this information is from Heaven and explains the nature of black holes better and creation. This universe is a dimension and it has a wall, it is sphere shaped. There are signs of creation by observing the shapes of Galaxies they appear to have patterns. When we look at Saturn and its rings it appears more as a work of art than a random event to produce such a view. Hell is a dimension as well and is full of planets without stars it is called in Heaven the storage dimension and when life dies in this universe the soul is teleported by the Holy Spirit to a planet for each species. Each planet has atmosphere and gravity but nothing else. The planet people are placed on is pitch black and there is no food or water. People in Hell group together in soul form and talk. In between this universe and Hell is another dimension bigger than this universe which is empty, this is called the safety dimension and is a buffer zone in order to prevent anyone from going to the storage dimension from this universe.(which can be done scientifically with certain technologies). I am the Arkangel Daniel and I am from Heaven.
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Message 297 of 300 (843733)
11-20-2018 1:20 PM
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11-20-2018 1:07 PM


Re: Sent From Heaven With Questions Or With Answers?
Arkangel Daniel writes:

Black holes pull very large objects into them such as planets and stars, they clearly go into another dimension.


I don't think that's clear at all.

Arkangel Daniel writes:

So a definition in this case of a dimension it is a sphere shaped location not in this universe.


You seem to be using the word "dimension" to refer to some spooky woo place - another world, as it were, or an alternate universe. In fact, the word "dimension" already has a real meaning.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 298 of 300 (843736)
11-20-2018 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 296 by Arkangel Daniel
11-20-2018 1:07 PM


Re: Sent From Heaven With Questions Or With Answers?
Hey Danny, did you know that paragraphs were invented to make written text easier to read? Even archangels need clear communications.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Arkangel Daniel
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Message 299 of 300 (843742)
11-20-2018 3:44 PM
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11-20-2018 1:20 PM


Re: Sent From Heaven With Questions Or With Answers?
Dimension is a term that God uses to refer to something created when the worm hole exit point and entry point are combined which puts it into its own location outside the universe. So my learning about dimensions I was taught that by God and also the science involving worm holes. Much can be explained in the bible by this type of physics in regard to miracles. The technology is used in Heaven and has a lot of uses for example there exists safety protocols in Heaven to prevent harm to people.
Safety protocols- where the Holy Spirit detects a collision and arrests the momentum of the object or both objects in order to prevent harm or damage.
So if a person falls off a building in Heaven, the Holy Spirit detects the collision and places a worm hole around the person just above the ground with the exit point on the ground cancelling the momentum preventing injury.
So you do not think that a Black hole pulls planets into another dimension. And you do not believe that stars receive fuel from another dimension then where does the star get its fuel from in your view and where do those planets and stars go that are pulled into Black holes?
A star is too massive and has been around to long for it to have its fuel produced at its location. Another thing is an explosion will not produce a planet or star no matter how big.
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Message 300 of 300 (843771)
11-21-2018 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 299 by Arkangel Daniel
11-20-2018 3:44 PM


Re: Sent From Heaven With Questions Or With Answers?
I told you to stop writing random science fiction posts in other topics not your own.
Feel free to send me an email if you want your posting privileges reinstated.

  • Please stay on topic for a thread. Open a new thread for new topics.
  • Points should be supported with evidence and reasoned argumentation.
  • The sincerely held beliefs of other members deserve your respect. Please keep discussion civil. Argue the position, not the person.

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