Gun Control III

On iPad, keeping short: Gunman, 3 others dead after shooting several others at Chicago hospitalYou damn gun nuts. You damn gun nuts.Percy

I was talking about the moral right, not the intention. As I pointed out, Jesus told you not to resist evil. He told you to turn the other cheek.

Hi ringo If someone strikes me on one cheek I will offer the other cheek. After that he better have more skills than I have as I don't have a third cheek. Neither did God give any directions after I turned the second cheek.But no place in the Bible tells me to let someone shoot at me.God Bless,

You always have an "other" cheek. Yes He did. "Resist not evil" (Matthew 5:39) covers any number of cheeks.

Incompetent as ever, I see. That quote isn't anything I said. You're actually quoting Ringo from Message 1233 in the Creation thread. Do you ever proofread what you write?I started my last message with, "Congratulation on avoiding the question," but given these new miscues I guess further congratulations are in order.You're actually responding to this part of my message: Your answer of "the black market" is wrong. He would simply purchase his weapon from any seller who was not a federally licensed gun seller, in other words, private parties. You've been wrong so many times that I doubt this very much, but it's beside the point. How many private sellers are selling so many guns that they would need a booth? Private sales happen at gun shows all the time, and private sellers have no need for a booth if they're only selling one or a few weapons: One would presume that in what follows you would describe how private sellers do it, but you don't. You instead ask questions: Uh, use the services often provided at gun shows, and that should be a required part of all gun shows, like this: Have you ever proofread your messages before clicking send so that you can see how poorly organized they are?You asked this question once before, and the answer is still no. Why would I go to a show full of people whose brains have become addled by the dopamine jolt provided with every squeeze of the trigger? I don't know what weird point you're trying to make, but obviously both businesses and people go to gun shows to buy and/or sell guns. The guns could be new, old or antique. All guns should be registered, and the background check would be carried out as part of any transfer of title. Sounds like the Democrats understand that a wall is not the best way to insure border security. Which I already explained to you once. You seem to forget a lot of stuff. Short term memory problems? That's not the definition of closing the border. That's just border security. 12 million what? Illegal immigrants? Since a border wall would do little to stem the flow of illegal immigrants, that is false. Again, a border wall would do little to stem the flow of illegal immigrants.But do you now understand that you're misusing the terms "open borders" and "closed borders". No one is for either one. That's why Trump is lying when he says Democrats want open borders. Both Democrats and Republicans are for border security, but Democrats believe a border wall won't provide that security, while Trumpublicans believe without any evidence that it will. True Republicans, if they dared speak, would probably agree with the Democrats.Have you read Jar's post about what damage a border wall would do to property owners along our southern border?Look up the Maginot Line some time. Building a wall only means people have to find a way to circumvent it. They'll go over, around and through it. At the end of Message 591 I described meaningful approaches to stemming the flow of illegal immigrants - you ignored it.--Percy

Hi Percy I worked in a foreign country where I had to have a work permit that had to be renewed every year for a $1250 fee my employer had to pay. My employer was responsible for a place to stay, all medical expenses, all educational expenses and a living wage. Anyone caught using help that did not have a work permit was fined $50,000 per person for first offense. The fine doubled for every offense after that. Guess what, they did not have a second offense.Put the lid on the cookie jar and they will either stay home or go somewhere else.God Bless,

I live in a country which you will classify as foreign. To me America is a foreign country with strange and quaint inhabitants.Where I live anyone can buy serious automatic weapons for 10 bucks inside the country and at the boundaries. Lots of those guns are American made. And the crime rate is horrendously high.Very, very strict gun control is desperately needed. That way it would be much more difficult for criminals to get their hands on guns.Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

Hi Pressie Criminals do not obey laws so explain to me how gun control laws would make it more difficult for the criminals to get guns.Laws are obeyed only by law abiding citizens.BTW if they can get automatic weapons for $10 they were not made in the US. I can't afford an automatic weapon, Semi-auto yes.God Bless,

Thoroughly investigate anyone trying to buy a gun of any kind. Make sure the guns are kept in safes where criminals can't steal them. Ban any civilian from owning assault weapons and/or machine guns. You need more? Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

If it was illegal to have a loaded gun by your front door, ready to blow the heads off of any intruders, would you obey the law?

Hi ringo My house is my castle. I make the rules that apply inside my house.God Bless,

Yes, it's clear that you disregard God's rules when it suits you.But the point here is about "law-abiding gun owners". If you make your own rules, you are not law-abiding.

Hi Pressie, That sounds simple doesn't it?But how would you propose to investigate anyone trying to buy a gun of any kind?They already do that if they are going through a licensed dealer.But if someone is buying from a gun runner there are no questions asked only cash exchanged for the weapon.We have borders where guns can go back and forth across them like the wind blowing.So any criminal who is in the gun running business can sell guns on either side of the borders. Thieves steal gold out of fort Knox. So how do you propose to put a safe in a house that a thief can't steal them from? It has been illegal for civilians to own weapons that fire automatic all of my life. A machine gun is a weapon that fires automatic just pull the trigger and it will fire as long as you hold the trigger down. But if it is a belt fed and the belt is long enough you can melt the barrel.I would not want to go to war with the AR15 or Ak47 semi-automatic that most want to classify as an assault weapon.In fact I don't own but one semi-automatic weapon. A 1955 10 shot magazine in grip 22 cal. pistol. The sweetest thing I have ever shot.I prefer pump action rifles and shotguns for long guns and revolvers for pistols.Full automatic and semi-automatic weapons can jam and cost you, your life. I have never had a pump action fail to load and fire. Neither a revolver that refused to turn and fire the next bullet. You do have to maintain your tools for them to work properly. You haven't proposed anything yet to keep guns out of the hands of criminals.Laws of any kind only effect what law abiding people do. Lawless people don't care what the law is.God Bless,

Hi ringo I would be abiding by the law in my house. As I said I make the rules that apply in my house.The government says we can't control what a person does in their bedroom and neither will they control what goes on in my house.God :Bless,

Yep, that's why we don't even bother with laws against murder. Lawless people don't care that murder is against the law.Laws are not just about preventing crimes, they also allow law breakers to be held accountable for their behavior by society when they are caught.You guys always whine that if a proposal does not solve every problem it cannot solve any problems. Well, Fuck you!