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ICANT
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Message 591 of 1184 (842725)
11-06-2018 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 580 by Percy
11-05-2018 1:28 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
So you're in favor of background checks for all gun purchases? Most states do not require background checks for gun purchases at gun shows. What state do you live in?
I live in Florida. I open carry when hunting and fishing. The rest of the time you don't know if I am carrying or not.
It makes no difference whether a state has background checks or not. It is a Federal law that all licensed gun dealers run a background check prior to turning a weapon over to a buyer.
The same goes for buying a gun online. It has to be shipped to a licensed dealer who runs the background check before delivery of the weapon to the purchaser.
In 28 states there are exemption from a background check for CC license holders and the exemptions vary from state to state.
Florida does not have an exemption so every time I purchase a gun I have to go through the background check.
Percy writes:
Don't you think gun registries would be very helpful in crime solving?
No. Because the crooks don't go to a licensed dealer to purchase a gun. So the guns they use would not be registered. Most weapons they use have been stolen from different entities.
Percy writes:
A more informed electorate would help, too. Trump tells the people at his rallies that (for example, there are a wide range of topics Trump lies about to choose from) Democrats want open borders and they believe him.
What lie does Trump tell?
I was there when the following happened.
Didn't the Democrats promise Reagan that they would close the border if he would grant amnesty to 2.7 million illegal aliens in 1986?
They got the amnesty but did nothing to shut the border. They have had plenty of opportunities to keep that promise in the last 32 years.
So you tell me why I should believe they have changed their mind and are now for closing the border?
If they are not for closing the border then they are for open borders so Trump is not lying.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 614 of 1184 (843614)
11-19-2018 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 593 by Percy
11-06-2018 1:03 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy
Percy writes:
You still have it backwards. If you claim that the sun will rise in the west tomorrow, YOU are the one who needs a reason. If you claim that there was a "change in nature", YOU are the one who needs a reason.
The same place he/she would go to buy a gun if all guns were banned. The black market.
Gun shows only allow licensed gun dealers to have booths at gun shows.
How would you propose to get individuals to do a background check before they delivered a gun to someone?
Have you ever been to a gun show?
Probably not because people who go to gun shows go to buy a gun or to sell an antique gun to one of the antique dealers.
An individual just wanting to sell a gun just runs a add in the little shopper paper and usually the gun is sold before the paper hits the streets. As the gun dealers get advance notice of guns for sale.
Percy writes:
Percy writes:
A more informed electorate would help, too. Trump tells the people at his rallies that (for example, there are a wide range of topics Trump lies about to choose from) Democrats want open borders and they believe him.
What lie does Trump tell?
What lie doesn't Trump tell? If his lips are moving he's lying. The Washington Post keeps a database of Trump falsehoods and misleading statements which is at 6420 and counting to this point in his presidency.
One of the lies that Trump likes to tell the most at his campaign rallies is that Democrats want open borders. Even the most rabid Trumpublican, assuming he's informed, would know that's not true.
Then why did Senator Schumer kill the $20 billion bill to fund the border wall for 1 3/4 million dreamers when the democrats had only asked for 800,000?
Sounds like the democrats want open borders to me.
Percy writes:
You're misremembering. It looks like you're talking about the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, signed into law by Reagan in November of 1986. No one ever wanted the border closed or would want the border closed, not the Republicans or the Democrats.
When I mention closing the border I am talking about everything between the legal entry points of entry. And that was what they promised Reagan they would do for the amnesty.
Had that happened we would not have 12 million at the present.
Percy writes:
But Trump *is* lying when he says Democrats are for open borders. They are not. No one is for open borders, and no one is for closed borders.
Then they should put up the money to build the wall.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 615 of 1184 (843622)
11-19-2018 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 597 by NosyNed
11-08-2018 9:58 AM


Re: Facts and Statistics
Hi Ned
NosyNed writes:
But what he should ask himself is, having chosen to join a population that is demonstratively less safe, why should he think he isn't subject to whatever causes them to be less safe.
It is called training Ned.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 616 of 1184 (843625)
11-19-2018 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 595 by ringo
11-07-2018 11:03 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi ringo
ringo writes:
As I said, the constitutional right to bear arms doesn't give you the moral right to blow people's heads off - any more than the legal right to own slaves gave people the moral right.
I don't have any intention of blowing anyone's head off unless they are trying to blow my head off, my wife's or someone near me.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 619 of 1184 (843741)
11-20-2018 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 618 by ringo
11-20-2018 11:45 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi ringo
ringo writes:
I was talking about the moral right, not the intention. As I pointed out, Jesus told you not to resist evil. He told you to turn the other cheek.
If someone strikes me on one cheek I will offer the other cheek. After that he better have more skills than I have as I don't have a third cheek. Neither did God give any directions after I turned the second cheek.
But no place in the Bible tells me to let someone shoot at me.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 622 of 1184 (843859)
11-22-2018 2:57 AM
Reply to: Message 621 by Percy
11-21-2018 2:23 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy
Percy writes:
I described meaningful approaches to stemming the flow of illegal immigrants - you ignored it.
I worked in a foreign country where I had to have a work permit that had to be renewed every year for a $1250 fee my employer had to pay. My employer was responsible for a place to stay, all medical expenses, all educational expenses and a living wage. Anyone caught using help that did not have a work permit was fined $50,000 per person for first offense. The fine doubled for every offense after that. Guess what, they did not have a second offense.
Put the lid on the cookie jar and they will either stay home or go somewhere else.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 624 of 1184 (843913)
11-22-2018 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 623 by Pressie
11-22-2018 4:14 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Pressie
Pressie writes:
That way it would be much more difficult for criminals to get their hands on guns.
Criminals do not obey laws so explain to me how gun control laws would make it more difficult for the criminals to get guns.
Laws are obeyed only by law abiding citizens.
BTW if they can get automatic weapons for $10 they were not made in the US. I can't afford an automatic weapon, Semi-auto yes.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 627 of 1184 (843980)
11-23-2018 3:08 PM
Reply to: Message 626 by ringo
11-23-2018 11:30 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi ringo
ringo writes:
If it was illegal to have a loaded gun by your front door, ready to blow the heads off of any intruders, would you obey the law?
My house is my castle. I make the rules that apply inside my house.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 629 of 1184 (843985)
11-23-2018 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 625 by Pressie
11-23-2018 3:56 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Pressie,
Pressie writes:
Thoroughly investigate anyone trying to buy a gun of any kind. Make sure the guns are kept in safes where criminals can't steal them. Ban any civilian from owning assault weapons and/or machine guns. You need more?
That sounds simple doesn't it?
But how would you propose to investigate anyone trying to buy a gun of any kind?
They already do that if they are going through a licensed dealer.
But if someone is buying from a gun runner there are no questions asked only cash exchanged for the weapon.
We have borders where guns can go back and forth across them like the wind blowing.
So any criminal who is in the gun running business can sell guns on either side of the borders.
Pressie writes:
Make sure the guns are kept in safes where criminals can't steal them.
Thieves steal gold out of fort Knox. So how do you propose to put a safe in a house that a thief can't steal them from?
Pressie writes:
Ban any civilian from owning assault weapons and/or machine guns.
It has been illegal for civilians to own weapons that fire automatic all of my life. A machine gun is a weapon that fires automatic just pull the trigger and it will fire as long as you hold the trigger down. But if it is a belt fed and the belt is long enough you can melt the barrel.
I would not want to go to war with the AR15 or Ak47 semi-automatic that most want to classify as an assault weapon.
In fact I don't own but one semi-automatic weapon. A 1955 10 shot magazine in grip 22 cal. pistol. The sweetest thing I have ever shot.
I prefer pump action rifles and shotguns for long guns and revolvers for pistols.
Full automatic and semi-automatic weapons can jam and cost you, your life. I have never had a pump action fail to load and fire. Neither a revolver that refused to turn and fire the next bullet. You do have to maintain your tools for them to work properly.
Pressie writes:
You need more?
You haven't proposed anything yet to keep guns out of the hands of criminals.
Laws of any kind only effect what law abiding people do. Lawless people don't care what the law is.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 630 of 1184 (843987)
11-23-2018 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 628 by ringo
11-23-2018 3:15 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi ringo
ringo writes:
But the point here is about "law-abiding gun owners". If you make your own rules, you are not law-abiding.
I would be abiding by the law in my house. As I said I make the rules that apply in my house.
The government says we can't control what a person does in their bedroom and neither will they control what goes on in my house.
God :Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 634 of 1184 (843999)
11-23-2018 7:36 PM
Reply to: Message 632 by DrJones*
11-23-2018 5:41 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Dr
Dr writes:
It's you "I am the LAW" type of inbred cousin humpers that give the rest of us law abiding gun owners a bad name.
I got a speeding ticket in 1956 I was doing 67 in a 55 zone.
I got a second speeding ticket in 1987. I was doing 83 in a 70 zone.
That is my entire rap sheet.
So maybe I am one of those law breakers you were talking about.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 635 of 1184 (844001)
11-23-2018 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 633 by DrJones*
11-23-2018 5:42 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Dr
Dr writes:
and this is not true. Live in the right state, jump through the right hoops, pay an arm and a leg and you too can own a fully transferable class 3 firearm.
And just how many of those exemptions from the law been issued.
They are just exemption from the law. They do not change the law.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 648 of 1184 (844293)
11-27-2018 6:37 PM
Reply to: Message 633 by DrJones*
11-23-2018 5:42 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Dr.
Dr writes:
jump through the right hoops,
If you will check there a lot of those hoops and it is not worth it.
And I suppose you want me to go through the same things to own my shotgun.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 649 of 1184 (844295)
11-27-2018 6:55 PM
Reply to: Message 646 by Pressie
11-26-2018 6:32 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Pressie
Pressie writes:
So, unless the criminals blow up the safe and are also able to open it, they won't be enabled to get hold of those hunting rifles at all.
Sounds like you live in a safe area.
But what would anyone want with hunting rifles? If they are hunters they would have their own weapons.
Most gun crimes are committed with hand guns. Then AR15's followed by ak47's. The latter two being status weapons.
But I lived in a British territory for 15 years so I know what it is to not have my guns handy but I did not feel like I needed them. There was weapons on the Island and kept at the gun range. I did go practice many times using my boss's weapons. The governor kept a weapon in his house but I don't know anybody else who did.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 650 of 1184 (844296)
11-27-2018 6:58 PM
Reply to: Message 647 by ringo
11-26-2018 10:59 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi ringo
ringo writes:
But if, like ICANT, you're using it to blow people's heads off, it has to be handy, not safe.
I am not using my guns to blow peoples heads off. I have my guns to keep someone from blowing my head off. Big difference.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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