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Message 1283 of 2073 (843662)
11-20-2018 1:45 AM
Reply to: Message 1278 by AZPaul3
11-19-2018 6:49 PM


Re: Conclusion vs Assumption, Belief, teach the difference
Yes I know there are remains of mankind from long ago. The issue is HOW long ago. The dates they assign to remains are faith based nonsense. ALL remains of humans are post flood.

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Message 1289 of 2073 (844086)
11-25-2018 3:34 AM
Reply to: Message 1287 by Tanypteryx
11-20-2018 12:25 PM


Re: Conclusion vs Assumption, Belief, teach the difference
I daresay I think you have NO remains of any man before the flood, or even shortly after it. Your dates are wrong.

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Message 1290 of 2073 (844087)
11-25-2018 3:36 AM
Reply to: Message 1288 by Tanypteryx
11-20-2018 12:57 PM


Re: Conclusion vs Assumption, Belief, teach the difference
Not true. When pictures are drawn, for example of the Cambrian world, we do not see lions and man and birds...etc etc. Face it. Those things lived at the time. Be honest about the sick models science posits of the past!

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Message 1294 of 2073 (844179)
11-26-2018 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1291 by Tanypteryx
11-25-2018 12:15 PM


Re: Conclusion vs Assumption, Belief, teach the difference
You have no evidence for your religious claims of dates that have been labeled science falsely.
Bottom line, any claim that a fossilized or other remains of man is pre flood rests solely on your beliefs of a same nature in the past. Nothing else at all ever.

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Message 1295 of 2073 (844180)
11-26-2018 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 1293 by RAZD
11-25-2018 3:29 PM


Re: Conclusion vs Assumption, Belief, teach the difference
There was no big bang, or first lifeform or same nature in the past. Making claims is easy. Why would sane people teach your beliefs??

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Message 1296 of 2073 (844181)
11-26-2018 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1292 by Tanypteryx
11-25-2018 12:29 PM


Re: Conclusion vs Assumption, Belief, teach the difference
Exactly, a strange world where most life here did not yet exist, but only the fossilized creatures from which all future life had to have evolved!
That is not the way the bible says things happened. Man and animals and birds were here also. They just could not leave fossilized remains, most likely! That was the way it was back in that former nature for whatever reasons.
From dust early man was made, and to dust apparently (rather than fossilized remains) he returned!!!!!!

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Message 1301 of 2073 (844233)
11-27-2018 2:02 AM
Reply to: Message 1297 by RAZD
11-26-2018 1:56 PM


Re: Conclusion vs Assumption, Belief, teach the difference
Mere belief foisted on evidences is all you have shown you are able to do actually. Further pretense is in vain.

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Message 1302 of 2073 (844234)
11-27-2018 2:05 AM
Reply to: Message 1298 by Tanypteryx
11-26-2018 2:06 PM


Re: Conclusion vs Assumption, Belief, teach the difference
All science claims about origins are religious claims. It is those 'science' claims here that must be supported. Not other beliefs!
There is all sorts of evidence for the past events you deny. Both the science evidences that you have misunderstood and contorted and violated, as well as historical, and Scriptural.

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Message 1303 of 2073 (844235)
11-27-2018 2:14 AM
Reply to: Message 1300 by edge
11-26-2018 11:49 PM


Re: Conclusion vs Assumption, Belief, teach the difference
The thing is that after the flood was when the nature change likely came! That was possibly responsible for the tectonic changes that moved continents, uplift, mountain building, ice age, and more! Add to this the great changes and destruction of the flood year and we are left with the startling realization that what is the surface of the earth today may not represent any sort of reflection of what the earth and life was like before this.
Former cities could now be miles under the earth, or under mountain ranges...etc etc. That is exactly what I assume happened to the tower of Babel actually, and why we don't see it today.
Then there was God's clean up plan in the flood year, that I assume dealt with the dead bodies somehow, perhaps partially by some chemical processes in the water! ( as well as likely by organic ways, and new instinctual/dietary habits of animals and bugs, etc etc) I sometimes wonder if the iridium we see in the KT layer might be somehow a remnant of the chemical reactions?
[since we will again see nature similar to what it was in the former nature times in the future according to the bible, we can expect dietary changes n animals again!]
Nowthen, since the nature change came after the flood presumably, that also was when man and animals and even many plants started to be able to leave remains!!! That fits the evidence!
Edited by creation, : No reason given.

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Message 1306 of 2073 (844274)
11-27-2018 4:40 PM
Reply to: Message 1305 by Tanypteryx
11-27-2018 12:35 PM


Re: Conclusion vs Assumption, Belief, teach the difference
Some people long to keep kids in the dark. We get it.

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Message 1307 of 2073 (844275)
11-27-2018 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1304 by RAZD
11-27-2018 7:41 AM


Re: One Trick Pony
Don't pretend some thesis exists. The issues you face are supporting your religion as science. ALL THE THESIS AND CLAIMS AND BELIEFS OF ALL ORIGIN SCIENCES ARE WORTHLESS RELIGION.

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Message 1311 of 2073 (844363)
11-28-2018 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1309 by dwise1
11-27-2018 6:54 PM


Re: Conclusion vs Assumption, Belief, teach the difference
Hey, if you want your kid to be a doctor does that mean you should infect him with every disease and break all his bones, and etc etc??
If you want your child to be a soldier, does that mean he or she should practice taking a bullet to the head??
If you want your child to be a nuclear scientist does that mean you should stick them in a reactor with high exposure to radiation?
No.
They should learn to despise lies, and treasure truth and learn the difference.

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Message 1312 of 2073 (844364)
11-28-2018 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 1310 by RAZD
11-28-2018 8:03 AM


Re: One Trick Pony rides again
All study should involve truth. Your religious fables are dangerous poison for kids.

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Message 1313 of 2073 (844365)
11-28-2018 6:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1308 by Tanypteryx
11-27-2018 5:06 PM


Re: Conclusion vs Assumption, Belief, teach the difference
The fool's idea of a good education might involve teaching someone, for example, that they were not really the sex they were born with, and that there is no God and no creator. The fools might want such an education to be mandatory.
Wise men and children have to navigate through the sewage, not drink it like fools!

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Message 1318 of 2073 (844536)
12-01-2018 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1314 by RAZD
11-28-2018 8:23 PM


Re: One Trick Pony rides again
There is no fact to origin science models. One of the earmarks of your religion, by the way, is denying you have a religion!!

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