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ringo
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Message 16 of 31 (844136)
11-25-2018 2:34 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Straggler
11-24-2018 2:41 PM


Re: Gold Toilet
Straggler writes:
George Clooney - I grew up in Kentucky. I sold insurance door to door. I sold ladies’ shoes. I worked at an all-night liquor store. I would buy suits that were too big and too long and cut the bottom of the pants off to make ties so I’d have a tie to go on job interviews. The idea that I’m somehow the ‘Hollywood elite’ and this guy who takes a shit in a gold toilet is somehow the man of the people is laughable.
Is he right?
I'm gonna say no. It isn't where you've been that makes you an elite. It's where you are now. The guy who's selling insurance and ladies' shoes in Kentucky was not an elite. George Clooney the celebrity is.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 19 of 31 (844143)
11-25-2018 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Phat
11-25-2018 2:51 PM


Re: Gold Toilet
Phat writes:
Why?
Because people listen to him. If he wasn't elite, he wouldn't even have been mentioned here.
Phat writes:
Just because he has money? That in and of itself is not a bad thing is it?
Having money isn't necessarily a bad thing. Putting value on his opinions because he has money is a bad thing.

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ringo
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Message 20 of 31 (844145)
11-25-2018 3:00 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Straggler
11-25-2018 2:57 PM


Re: Gold Toilet
Straggler writes:
Past experience has to count for something when compared to someone who has neither past nor present experience of ordinary life.
Past experience may make George Clooney a nicer elite than Donald Trump but it doesn't necessarily make him less elite.

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ringo
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Message 22 of 31 (844167)
11-26-2018 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by dwise1
11-25-2018 4:11 PM


Re: Gold Toilet
dwise1 writes:
Well, if eating burgers is good enough to keep Trump from being an elitist....
There's a difference between being an elitist and being elite.
Elite soldiers have special abilities used in special missions and they might get special treatment, such as extra leave, when they are not on those missions.
An elitist like Trump wants to be elite, whether he merits any special treatment or not. Somebody like George Clooney might not want to be elite, or at least he might not want to be perceived as elite, but some people do perceive him as elite because of his (perceived) abilities.

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ringo
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Message 26 of 31 (844253)
11-27-2018 10:37 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by caffeine
11-26-2018 2:47 PM


Re: Gold Toilet
caffeine writes:
But if you hear them so much that it's bothering, then obviously you're consuming a lot of media that talks about celebrities' opinions. Why not simply stop doing so?
The reality is that many people do get their "news" from such sources. If celebrities don't want to be perceived as elitist, they should keep their political opinions to themselves.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 29 of 31 (844350)
11-28-2018 2:34 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by caffeine
11-28-2018 2:37 AM


Re: Gold Toilet
caffeine writes:
Given that this advice essentially amounts to "Never discuss politics, because people who disagree with you won't like it", it applies to everybody, not just celebrities.
Of course it does. But people care what George Clooney thinks and they don't care what I think. It's hard to be elite when nobody has ever heard of you.
caffeine writes:
But I'm not sure we're going to get anywhere if we all just refuse to discuss politics in future.
I didn't say that "we" shouldn't discuss politics. I said that celebrities shouldn't pontificate about politics.

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ringo
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Message 31 of 31 (844356)
11-28-2018 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Tanypteryx
11-28-2018 3:26 PM


Re: Gold Toilet
Tanypteryx writes:
So, I guess you are now claiming to be Illuminati because nobody has heard of you.
No. "Dogs have four legs," doesn't mean that everything with four legs is a dog.

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