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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
It really does. If there are no fast-growing trees now, there's no reason to think there were fast-growing trees in Noah's time. Fast-growing trees are contra-indicated by everything we know about biology, chemistry, physics, etc. What there is no such thing as...now has no bearing on what things exist in the future or the far past.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
You still have it backwards. If you claim that the sun will rise in the west tomorrow, YOU are the one who needs a reason. If you claim that there was a "change in nature", YOU are the one who needs a reason. Nobody is going to take YOU seriously unless YOU can provide a reason for YOUR silly claims. If we assumed nature was the same you might have a point. Too bad you need a reason to do so.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
Anybody with any sense. Whole continents do not rise up out of the ocean in a few centuries. And we know THAT because we have dated items in the Americas that are older than the map.
Who said the Americas existed at that time above water? ICANT writes:
Because, as I said, the Americas are not on it.
You know that is an inaccurate map because ----------------Fill in the blank. ICANT writes:
No I'm not. I'm using the meanings that Hebrew scholars use.
You are manufacturing your own definitions of Hebrew words. ICANT writes:
You ARE confused about Biblical Hebrew. You're just too confused to know that you're confused.
I have always been confused about English but I have never been confused about Biblical Hebrew. ICANT writes:
And you should have no problem looking up what Hebrew scholars think. But you already know what Hebrew scholars think, don't you? You already know that your interpretation is an outlier, don't you? Then you should have no problem with taking the two Hebrew words being discussed in Message 1203 and show me how they mean the same thing when they are spelled different, and one of them is only used 4 times in the Bible. Of course, we also have the confirmation of science: The continents did NOT divide at any time during human history.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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ICANT writes:
Don't be stupid. The sun don't rise or set anywhere so why make such an outlandish statement?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
You're being dishonest. You don't use that criterion in your own life. You don't expect tomorrow to be 48 hours instead of 24. You don't expect your bank to move without informing you. You don't expect Honey Nut Cheerios to suddenly be made of 100% beef. Science claims nature was the same, it needs a reason. You expect things to stay the same unless there is some reason to think they have changed.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
I don't know where you got that quote from but it doesn't sound like me. If you're going to argue about who's stupid, you should try not to make mistakes while doing it. The bible has a lot of inaccuracies and creation is one part that is in need to be fixed also there was never a talking snake or a tree with fruit that would make a person smarter.
You were the one telling someone to do something stupid, not me.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
And they were put there long before there were any humans on earth.
Sea shells have been found on mountain tops. They have also been found 7 miles deep in the earth. ICANT writes:
There hasn't been one single land mass at any time since humans have been around.
Why would they be on the map if there was only 1 piece of dry land mass surrounded by water? ICANT writes:
Or they made it up.
I didn't make the map it was made a long time ago by someone who had been around the land mass. Or had been told about it. ICANT writes:
I would rather have the opinion of actual Hebrew scholars - and I do. They're the ones who WROTE the Hebrew Lexicons, after all. Feel free to show us any Hebrew scholars who agree with you.
I gave you the Hebrew Lexicon definitions and the uses of the words. I can't help it if you would rather have someone's opinion. ICANT writes:
We know how fast the continents are drifting. We know how long humans have been around. The math is pretty simple. ringo writes:
How do you make that determination. Just how do we know the continents have drifted apart? The continents did NOT divide at any time during human history.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
Again... you claimed in Message 1215 that, "It does not say that continents were formed then." What do you think a "large land mass" is if it isn't a continent? If there was water and land together, and then it was separated, we were left with land as well as water. I have no reason to doubt that in the beginning a large land mass existed that later broke apart.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
Science doesn't concern itself much with "why" things happen. It isn't "why" tigers have stripes so much as how are stripes an evolutionary advantage. Science has evidence that there once was a large land mass...not on why and exactly how it separated. As for how the continents were separated, you can do the experiment: Heat a pot of water to almost boiling, then drop a few drops of oil onto the surface. Convection currents in the water will make the oil "continents" separate and merge into different "continents".And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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creation writes:
Not at all. I' m just pointing out that you don't think before you post. Semantics game eh?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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creation writes:
No, that would not be a good model of the earth. Continental drift is not caused by spin.
Or...we could spin a ball covered in frozen chocolate real fast suddenly, and see if it fractures. creation writes:
You must be too young to remember but creationists used to claim that evolution didn't happen at all. I think it's comical that they've given up their argumemts so thoroughly that now they have evolution happening impossibly fast. It's a sure sign that their only motivation is to scoff at science; they're not interested in truth or knowledge at all. Since evolving/changing happened fast in the former times/nature...And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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creation writes:
The same way we know anything - by comparing it to known processes. We don't pretend, like you do, that some woo-woo unknown process used to be in effect at some unspecified time in the past. If we blamed everything on a "different nature" we would, like you, never learn anything.
How would we know the mechanism that started the plates moving? creation writes:
Theories are not guesses. They are thoroughly tested and confirmed by observation and experiment. Have you forgotten that the theories of plate tectonics have only guessed? Edited by ringo, : Spellong.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
Well, I'm glad you almost understood what I said - but I did say "known" processes, not "present" processes. If you can show us the processes that you believe happened in the past and are happening beyond our cosmic "fishbowl", we'll be sure to include those processes in our calculations. What we don't take into account is the fairy-tale processes that you make up in a sad attempt to prop up your religion. Glad you admitted that! You only look at and go by present processes!And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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ICANT writes:
Because it's a science forum.
Why would creation have anything other than belief? ICANT writes:
Nonsense. You're like the guy living in a cardboard box who thinks nobody has a better house than his. That is the only thing anybody has.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
We do have evidence about the origin of the universe. It doesn't point to any Creator.
Creation is the subject of this discussion and there is nobody who has presented any scientific evidence supporting creation. Which is the origin of the universe. ICANT writes:
Assumptions are based on scientific evidence. If you have any scientific evidence that is not based on an assumption....And our geese will blot out the sun.
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