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Phat
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Message 31 of 35 (844273)
11-27-2018 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Stile
11-23-2018 11:49 AM


Missionary: FAIL
God Sheltered Me

That missionary seemingly had an immature innocent sort of all-or-nothing faith. I don't think he was anywhere near ready to convert the natives, but he certainly sped up his own journey to heaven...if that was his final destination.

quote:
NEW DELHI — The young American, paddling his kayak toward a remote Indian island whose people have resisted the outside world for thousands of years, believed God was helping him dodge the authorities.

“God sheltered me and camouflaged me against the coast guard and the navy,” John Allen Chau wrote before he was killed last week on North Sentinel Island.

Indian ships monitor the waters around the island, trying to ensure outsiders do not go near the Sentinelese, who have repeatedly made clear they want to be left alone.

When a young boy tried to hit him with an arrow on his first day on the island, Chau swam back to the fishing boat he had arranged to wait for him offshore. The arrow, he wrote, hit a Bible he was carrying.

“Why did a little kid have to shoot me today?” he wrote in his notes, which he left with the fishermen before swimming back the next morning. “His high-pitched voice still lingers in my head.”
Police say Chau knew that the Sentinelese resisted all contact by outsiders, firing arrows and spears at passing helicopters and killing fishermen who drift onto their shore. His notes, which were reported Thursday in Indian newspapers and confirmed by police, make clear he knew he might be killed.


In a way, I think the guy had a martyr complex. He almost wanted to die in service to God (in his imagination) but in actuality, he was not equipped for the task that he set out to do.

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


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Message 32 of 35 (844277)
11-27-2018 4:49 PM
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11-27-2018 4:08 PM


Re: Missionary: FAIL
The world is full of whackos, god knows why your god likes to make them, but apparently he does. It's even odder that he allows one of his creation to be killed trying to do something he instructed him to do.

Maybe you can tell us?


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Message 33 of 35 (844297)
11-27-2018 7:02 PM
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11-27-2018 4:49 PM


Re: Missionary: FAIL??
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/...-death-john-allen-chau

A comprehending observer would realize that, however ill-considered Chau’s plan was, it made sense to him given evangelical assumptions about salvation and eternity. “Leave North Sentinel Island alone” makes perfect sense if what you believe about God has nothing to do with your eternal fate. If there is no afterlife (or if we can’t know anything about the afterlife) then what Chau was doing was the height of foolishness.

I don’t know much about the details of Chau’s faith per se, and he seems to have worked in some capacity for the All Nations sending organization. His diary entries suggest that he believed that reconciliation with God through Christ is the most important thing in life. It is a life-or-death issue for everyone, and thus something you’d lay down your life for. This is logical, if you assume what evangelicals believe is true.

The Journal‘s response to Chau’s death stands in stark contrast to the media coverage of Jim Elliot and the Ecuador martyrs in 1956. In particular, Life magazine gave enormously sympathetic (one might say fawning) coverage to Elliot’s death and that of his missionary companions in a spearing attack by Waorani Indians.

The difference in coverage surely has to do with the fact that Chau seems, at first glance, like more of a rogue actor than Elliot. But the contrast is also a gauge of how much American culture has changed in the intervening six decades. A national magazine such as Life in 1956 would at least resonate with the attempt to bring Western civilization to people they called “Stone Age savages.” But Life also faithfully represented Elliot’s evangelical agenda, as he explained that he and his colleagues were under divine commission to preach the gospel to all nations.

Six decades later, we live in world where academic and media elites are allergic to the notion that one culture is superior to another....

http://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=msg&m=843995#m843995

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Message 34 of 35 (844314)
11-28-2018 2:47 AM
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11-27-2018 7:02 PM


Re: Missionary: FAIL??
Did you have a point?

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Stile
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Message 35 of 35 (844341)
11-28-2018 12:24 PM
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11-27-2018 7:02 PM


Re: Missionary: FAIL??
Something being logical because it's based on previous assumptions definitely does not make it good or right.

If you believe bringing God to strangers is a life or death issue, then it's logical to force your ideas of God on strangers.
If you believe waving hello to strangers is a life or death issue, then it's logical to wave to all strangers.
If you believe insulting strangers is a life a life or death issue, then it's logical to force your insults on strangers.

Whether the action was logical according to his beliefs is not being questioned.

I'm simply condemning his actions on a higher level.
Being rude and forcing your views on others is bad and wrong, regardless of how logical it may or may not be.

There are many ways to set a good example and allow others to choose to investigate your motives if they desire.

Spread the word using good methods.
Do not spread the word using rude, bad methods.
Regardless of low 'logical' either one may or may not be based on personal assumptions.


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