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ringo
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Message 1024 of 1498 (842922)
11-10-2018 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 1016 by Faith
11-09-2018 5:05 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
Faith writes:
The evidence for the Flood is scientific fact, you know, actual sedimentary deposits, actual fossils in the bazillions, not any of your wacko stuff.
The evidence for floods is obvious. There is no justification for extrapolating many floods into one Flood.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 1028 of 1498 (842957)
11-11-2018 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1026 by creation
11-11-2018 1:11 PM


Re: Many floods, but no World Wide Flood
creation writes:
If the high mountains were pushed up after the flood....
They weren't. There is nothing in the Bible or reality to suggest that they were.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 1034 of 1498 (842963)
11-11-2018 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1033 by creation
11-11-2018 1:24 PM


Re: Many floods, but no World Wide Flood
creation writes:
We do know all the mountains will be flattened one day by the bible.
Again, you can not use speculations about what might happen in the future as evidence that something happened in the past.
creation writes:
If we accept that there was continents separating and mountain building from science, then it had to have occurred somewhere in the framework laid out in Scripture.
On the contrary, we know it didn't. Separation of the continents and building of the existing mountains happened long before the 6000 years ago that the earth was supposedly "created".

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 1055 of 1498 (843133)
11-13-2018 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 1051 by creation
11-13-2018 11:45 AM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
creation writes:
They say iridium comes from space and from the deep interior of the earth...so did the flood waters!
You're missing the point. If most of the layers were deposited by the flood, then the iridium should be distributed among all of the Flood layers. It isn't.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 1059 of 1498 (843138)
11-13-2018 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1058 by creation
11-13-2018 12:01 PM


Re: Many floods, but no World Wide Flood
creation writes:
Imaginary time, based solely upon assuming the current nature existed doesn't count.
Reality counts, whether you understand it or not.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 1063 of 1498 (843142)
11-13-2018 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 1061 by creation
11-13-2018 12:04 PM


Re: Many floods, but no World Wide Flood
creation writes:
Using the word reality for your baseless beliefs is of zero import.
Your opinions are of zero import. No creationism in schools, remember? Your opinions have already lost the battle.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 1064 of 1498 (843144)
11-13-2018 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1062 by creation
11-13-2018 12:05 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
creation writes:
All the flood layers?? It was only one year!
You don't seem to know much about creationism either. Most creationists claim that most of the geological record was laid down during the Flood. That's how they explain the fossils.
Are you suggesting that only the KT layer was laid down by the Flood?
creation writes:
Most folks would even have trouble trying to imagine the KT layer put down in that time!
Not at all. For example, we can see how long it takes the ash from a volcano to circulate around the earth. It isn't hard at all to imagine the pulverized iridium from a meteorite behaving in a similar way.

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Message 1230 of 1498 (844353)
11-28-2018 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1221 by creation
11-27-2018 5:31 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
creation writes:
The fact remains that the biblical flood was said to have caused a great great extinction!
Strictly speaking, the Ark was intended specifically to prevent any extinctions from happening.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 1240 of 1498 (844411)
11-29-2018 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 1231 by creation
11-29-2018 2:17 AM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
creation writes:
It was to prevent the CREATED KINDS placed on the ark from dying!
There is no such thing as "created kinds" in the Bible. Genesis 6:20 specifically mentions different kinds of cattle. If there was only one "created kind" that included cattle, there would have been no need for different kinds of cattle on the ark.
creation writes:
Who says all the animals that evolved/adapted from created kinds in the 16 centuries before the flood got to come?
God did - "every living thing of all flesh" (Genesis 6:19)
But this thread is for you to show your ignorance of dating methods. You can show your ignorance of the Bible in another thread.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 1252 of 1498 (844517)
12-01-2018 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 1246 by creation
11-30-2018 9:35 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
creation writes:
It is not that I do not know all about your religious dating methods....
Oh, it certainly is. You haven't grasped the whole concept of this thread: It doesn't matter if you can disprove one dating method or even ten dating methods. There are dozens of dating methods, each depending on different assumptions, different physical principles - and they all produce the same dates. That's like reading a dozen books and they all tell you that Paris is the capital of France.
You could hypothetically prove that one or two of the methods were wrong but that would have no effect on the other methods.
But, if course, you have failed miserably to understand any of the methods, so your attempts to disprove them are meaningless.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 1268 of 1498 (844585)
12-02-2018 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1256 by creation
12-01-2018 2:08 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
creation writes:
I have grasped the evidences that you impose the one same belief upon! None of them nor all of them are any better than the one belief they sit on.
You have completely missed the point of this thread.
Even if you could successfully challenge one or two of the dating methods - and you can't - that accomplishes nothing. The thread is about the correlation of ALL of the dating methods: ALL of the dating methods give the same answers.
Even if you could discredit each and every one of the dating methods - and you have failed miserably to even scratch the surface on ANY of them - but even if you could discredit ALL of them individually, you'd still have to produce a cogent reason for them all being wrong in exactly the same way.
It's like five hundred people trying to go from New York to Los Angeles by five hundred different routes and every single one of them winding up in Pensacola by mistake. You creationists are fond of complaining about the odds against abiogenesis and evolution; try calculating the odds on that one.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 1281 of 1498 (876842)
05-29-2020 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1279 by dad
05-29-2020 11:31 AM


Re: Your problem: no correlations should exist
dad writes:
Any assertions trees did not grow fast as the record in Scripture indicates...
That's like saying, "Prove there are no unicorns."
You have it backwards. If you make a positive claim - e.g. trees grew fast - then YOU are the one who has to provide evidence.
dad writes:
...will be ignored unless proven.
You've already ignored a lot to get to your current position.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Message 1287 of 1498 (876864)
05-29-2020 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1284 by dad
05-29-2020 2:55 PM


Re: Your problem: no correlations should exist
dad writes:
The positive science claim is that nature was the same and so that therefore tree rings represent the same length of time taken for trees to grow now.
And that is the reality until you can show evidence that it was otherwise.
dad writes:
I will use the historical default position that the record in the bible is true....
That is not the default position. Historically, there have been many flood stories which do not agree with each other. You can not just pick one as the "default".

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Message 1297 of 1498 (876906)
05-30-2020 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1289 by dad
05-29-2020 7:10 PM


Re: Your problem: no correlations should exist
dad writes:
However, science claims must be supported in ways other than beliefs.
And they are supported six ways from Sunday. Have you read this thread at all? If not, you're just speaking from a position of ignorance.
dad writes:
The main story of Noah and the flood has not changed.
That's the problem. It is not open to correction. Its mistakes can never be fixed.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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ringo
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Message 1303 of 1498 (876925)
05-30-2020 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1302 by dad
05-30-2020 12:52 PM


Re: Your problem: no correlations should exist
dad writes:
Beliefs beliefs beliefs presented as something else.
And yet you can't explain away the correlations.
dad writes:
Then the mods step in predictably and cut off opposing belief based ideas.
Because "ideas" and/or beliefs do not address the correlations.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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