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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
The evidence for floods is obvious. There is no justification for extrapolating many floods into one Flood. The evidence for the Flood is scientific fact, you know, actual sedimentary deposits, actual fossils in the bazillions, not any of your wacko stuff.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
They weren't. There is nothing in the Bible or reality to suggest that they were. If the high mountains were pushed up after the flood....And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
Again, you can not use speculations about what might happen in the future as evidence that something happened in the past.
We do know all the mountains will be flattened one day by the bible. creation writes:
On the contrary, we know it didn't. Separation of the continents and building of the existing mountains happened long before the 6000 years ago that the earth was supposedly "created". If we accept that there was continents separating and mountain building from science, then it had to have occurred somewhere in the framework laid out in Scripture.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
You're missing the point. If most of the layers were deposited by the flood, then the iridium should be distributed among all of the Flood layers. It isn't. They say iridium comes from space and from the deep interior of the earth...so did the flood waters!And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
Reality counts, whether you understand it or not. Imaginary time, based solely upon assuming the current nature existed doesn't count.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
Your opinions are of zero import. No creationism in schools, remember? Your opinions have already lost the battle. Using the word reality for your baseless beliefs is of zero import.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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creation writes:
You don't seem to know much about creationism either. Most creationists claim that most of the geological record was laid down during the Flood. That's how they explain the fossils. All the flood layers?? It was only one year! Are you suggesting that only the KT layer was laid down by the Flood?
creation writes:
Not at all. For example, we can see how long it takes the ash from a volcano to circulate around the earth. It isn't hard at all to imagine the pulverized iridium from a meteorite behaving in a similar way. Most folks would even have trouble trying to imagine the KT layer put down in that time!And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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creation writes:
Strictly speaking, the Ark was intended specifically to prevent any extinctions from happening. The fact remains that the biblical flood was said to have caused a great great extinction!And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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creation writes:
There is no such thing as "created kinds" in the Bible. Genesis 6:20 specifically mentions different kinds of cattle. If there was only one "created kind" that included cattle, there would have been no need for different kinds of cattle on the ark.
It was to prevent the CREATED KINDS placed on the ark from dying! creation writes:
God did - "every living thing of all flesh" (Genesis 6:19) Who says all the animals that evolved/adapted from created kinds in the 16 centuries before the flood got to come? But this thread is for you to show your ignorance of dating methods. You can show your ignorance of the Bible in another thread.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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creation writes:
Oh, it certainly is. You haven't grasped the whole concept of this thread: It doesn't matter if you can disprove one dating method or even ten dating methods. There are dozens of dating methods, each depending on different assumptions, different physical principles - and they all produce the same dates. That's like reading a dozen books and they all tell you that Paris is the capital of France. It is not that I do not know all about your religious dating methods.... You could hypothetically prove that one or two of the methods were wrong but that would have no effect on the other methods. But, if course, you have failed miserably to understand any of the methods, so your attempts to disprove them are meaningless.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
creation writes:
You have completely missed the point of this thread. I have grasped the evidences that you impose the one same belief upon! None of them nor all of them are any better than the one belief they sit on. Even if you could successfully challenge one or two of the dating methods - and you can't - that accomplishes nothing. The thread is about the correlation of ALL of the dating methods: ALL of the dating methods give the same answers. Even if you could discredit each and every one of the dating methods - and you have failed miserably to even scratch the surface on ANY of them - but even if you could discredit ALL of them individually, you'd still have to produce a cogent reason for them all being wrong in exactly the same way. It's like five hundred people trying to go from New York to Los Angeles by five hundred different routes and every single one of them winding up in Pensacola by mistake. You creationists are fond of complaining about the odds against abiogenesis and evolution; try calculating the odds on that one.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
That's like saying, "Prove there are no unicorns." Any assertions trees did not grow fast as the record in Scripture indicates... You have it backwards. If you make a positive claim - e.g. trees grew fast - then YOU are the one who has to provide evidence.
dad writes:
You've already ignored a lot to get to your current position. ...will be ignored unless proven."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
And that is the reality until you can show evidence that it was otherwise.
The positive science claim is that nature was the same and so that therefore tree rings represent the same length of time taken for trees to grow now. dad writes:
That is not the default position. Historically, there have been many flood stories which do not agree with each other. You can not just pick one as the "default". I will use the historical default position that the record in the bible is true...."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
And they are supported six ways from Sunday. Have you read this thread at all? If not, you're just speaking from a position of ignorance.
However, science claims must be supported in ways other than beliefs. dad writes:
That's the problem. It is not open to correction. Its mistakes can never be fixed. The main story of Noah and the flood has not changed."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
And yet you can't explain away the correlations.
Beliefs beliefs beliefs presented as something else. dad writes:
Because "ideas" and/or beliefs do not address the correlations. Then the mods step in predictably and cut off opposing belief based ideas."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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