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riVeRraT
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Message 8 of 153 (844642)
12-03-2018 9:51 AM


Left wing terroism
Actually in the last 2 years, left wing terrorists have committed more murders than Right wing terrorists. Since 1992, minus the Oklahoma City bombing, Right wing terrorists only committed a few more murders than left.
What I don't like is how we are obsessed with tying these horrific acts to an ideology, and not mental illness. As if to say, see, being a right winger is bad, you're all bad. Especially since the exact opposite logic is applied when a left winger talks about a Islamic terrorist.

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riVeRraT
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Message 11 of 153 (844649)
12-03-2018 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Dr Adequate
12-03-2018 10:08 AM


Re: Left wing terroism
Sorry, but those statistics are entirely wrong or misleading.
Guest Opinion

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riVeRraT
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Message 12 of 153 (844650)
12-03-2018 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by ringo
12-03-2018 11:10 AM


Re: Left wing terroism
You are what is wrong with America.

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riVeRraT
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Message 17 of 153 (844693)
12-04-2018 7:11 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by caffeine
12-03-2018 4:06 PM


Re: Left wing terroism
Well that was the purpose of my post, but all who replied felt it was more important to assign an ideology to it.

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riVeRraT
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Message 18 of 153 (844694)
12-04-2018 7:20 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by PaulK
12-03-2018 12:07 PM


Re: Left wing terroism
If we are measuing percentages, then terrorism really isn't a problem no matter who you are. That's not saying we shouldn't fight against it. Perhaps fighting against it is what keeps it at bay.
Saying right wing terrorists are a far worse threat because 0.0000002% of the population died from them and only 0.00000015% of the population died from left wing terrorists is stupid.

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riVeRraT
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Message 20 of 153 (844704)
12-04-2018 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by JonF
12-04-2018 10:54 AM


Re: Left wing terroism
It's not significantly more prevalent (by death). By death is not the only way to measure terrorism. Left wing terrorism is far more prevalent today. Antifa is a terrorist organization, and while there is no cut and dry way to measure it's membership because they all hide like cowards, it's estimated to be in the tens of thousands.
Any administration should be worried about this, as well as any American.

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riVeRraT
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Message 27 of 153 (844780)
12-05-2018 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by JonF
12-04-2018 3:31 PM


Re: Left wing terroism
I already provided citations by death. Do the math yourself.
The government has labelled Antifa a terrorist organization. The fact that you don't know that should concern you.
Antifa: US security agencies label group 'domestic terrorists' | The Independent | The Independent

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riVeRraT
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Message 28 of 153 (844781)
12-05-2018 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by 1.61803
12-04-2018 4:10 PM


Re: Left wing terroism
Wrong, and wrong.

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riVeRraT
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Message 29 of 153 (844782)
12-05-2018 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by Tanypteryx
12-04-2018 4:59 PM


Re: Left wing terroism
Please provide a citation tying militia groups with white spuremacists, or terrorist activity.

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riVeRraT
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Message 41 of 153 (844818)
12-05-2018 6:09 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Phat
12-05-2018 11:01 AM


Re: Right and Left Wing Rants....are they worth our time?
Phat writes:
He is right though...he is a left-wing Canadian. Perhaps a question to ask is if he were a right-wing Canadian would he still be part of the problem rather than the solution? I've been hanging out here quite a few years, and ringo is one who is articulate and opinionated in his responses to our posts. He gets under my skin occasionally but I'm glad he is around
I don't hate ringo. I debated with him for thousands of posts. I should have said, the way you think is what is wrong with America.
Phat writes:
I'm guessing you are a moderate leaning towards conservative values...but are moderate enough to consider all ideologies as equally valid (or useless).
Bingo, but you knew that already. Raised democrat/progressive, turned Conservative Independent.
Phat writes:
Would you say that your worldview has been influenced by the church or would you argue that you are balanced enough in life to associate with a broader spectrum of people than just believers?
Just the opposite. The church does not dictate my worldview. More specifically, since church is man, and God is God, God does not dictate my world view. My worldview dictates my God. I do not call people believers or non-believers. I treat them all the same since we do not know who goes to heaven. Our job is only to love. The atheists here in this forum helped me form my faith. God sees that.
I never bothered to calculate how many left and right wingers there are in the world. Why are we leaving people in the middle out? What difference does it make? If every single person believed in God, we would still have no proof He exists. Opinions are like assholes.
Yep I still fly planes. More into freestyle FPV drones. I don't miss this place, but I miss people like you.

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riVeRraT
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Message 42 of 153 (844819)
12-05-2018 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Tanypteryx
12-05-2018 11:02 AM


Re: Left wing terroism
People who associate Confederate flags and militias with all that are ignorant idiots. No better than prejudice bigots.

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riVeRraT
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Message 43 of 153 (844820)
12-05-2018 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by JonF
12-05-2018 11:17 AM


Re: Left wing terroism
You picked the info from the article that backed up your thoughts only. If you minus the Oklahoma City bombing, the numbers are much closer. If you read further, the article cites that left wing numbers are higher than right wing numbers in the last 2 years.
But none of that has anything to do with my point really. People need to stop focusing on ideologys, and stop character assasinating each other. When people have these debates they twist the numbers and present them in a favorable way to try and prove their point. All I see is hypocrisy and false narratives. The US is like a bad "B" movie to me, and everyone is so dumbed down and incapable of rational thought that they end up fighting each other. Families are being split up over this bullshit that the media is peddling to us. It needs to stop.

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riVeRraT
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Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
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Message 47 of 153 (844836)
12-06-2018 9:08 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by Tanypteryx
12-05-2018 6:20 PM


Re: Left wing terroism
My sisters cousin once saw a guy with confederate flag and a dodge charger.... How about some actual citations? How about anything saying that militias terrorise, or kill Americans?
Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.

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riVeRraT
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Message 48 of 153 (844837)
12-06-2018 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by PaulK
12-06-2018 12:39 AM


Re: Left wing terroism
Oh hell no. Even though I've explain my point multiple times, you still don't get it. Maybe I'll try again?
All terrorism is bad. One isn't worse than the other. One isn't more of a threat than the other. If you are going to talk about, at least be fair and balanced and talk about all of it. Tying the insane acts of lunitics to right or left ideologys is unrealistic. It's not the ideology (unless your ideology tells you to go kill) it's the people. Just like guns don't kill people, people kill people.
It's so hypocritical how the "scientists" in this forum become so unscientifical and biased on certain subjects.

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riVeRraT
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Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
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Message 49 of 153 (844838)
12-06-2018 9:21 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by Minnemooseus
12-05-2018 7:12 PM


Re: Left wing terroism
Um no. I would bet a few bucks and say they are all "lefties". Nice try though. Or perhaps you are in denial? Like the Democrat leadership is?

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