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Capt Stormfield
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Message 46 of 50 (844681)
12-03-2018 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Faith
12-03-2018 6:18 PM


Re: Creation Science vs Regular Science
?

You have built an entire edifice of imaginary pseudoscience and alternative outcomes based on guesses and assumptions you pull directly out of your ass.


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Message 47 of 50 (844682)
12-03-2018 9:59 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Stile
12-03-2018 2:21 PM


Re: Creation Science vs Regular Science
If you have an undisputed set of observations or facts... then they only ever lead to one single Scientific conclusion.

This is, I think, pretty rare. The set of facts often have multiple possible interpretations. Then there are ongoing arguments, sometimes not friendly, about those conclusions.

Only further facts may finally force a consensus conclusion that may become universal.

I think you have all that in mind with what you subsequently wrote.


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Message 48 of 50 (844688)
12-04-2018 3:35 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by Faith
12-03-2018 6:13 PM


Re: Creation Science vs Regular Science
Faith writes:

I think there's sufficient evidence for the young earth but the journals don't, just as you don't.

Not only do the journals (ie science) find insufficient evidence for a young earth, it also finds enormous qualities of evidence for an old earth. It's long been settled science and won't be overturned by pure belief.

So the young earth is an assumption in YEC science

There is no such thing as YEC science, if YEC was science, we'd just call it science.

that is always going to disqualify any scientific work that assumes it from publication in the standard journals.

Science doesn't care where evidence comes from or what people believe about it, it only cares about the evidence. Your problem is that you have no science to publish, not that the publishers won't accept it.


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Message 49 of 50 (844710)
12-04-2018 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Stile
12-03-2018 2:21 PM


Re: Creation Science vs Regular Science
The only way for Science to disagree on the conclusion of a test is to do the test again and show an error in the previous test (generally resulting in Nobel Prizes for catching an error.)
Which would still result in only 1 valid test - and only 1 valid conclusion.

I think you have to find an error in something pretty important to get a Nobel prize - if they handed them out every time someone fixed a mistake there'd be a lot more laureates.

Edited by caffeine, : No reason given.


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Message 50 of 50 (844717)
12-04-2018 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Faith
12-02-2018 6:31 PM


Re: Will Faith Answer Me?
Faith writes:

It's simple: I think they are wrong, I'm not looking for snarky explanations for why they are wrong. I'll even say they are honestly wrong, they believe in what they are saying. But I believe they are wrong nevertheless.

And in the future I may well ignore you, Phat, whether you do that particular snark thing on me or not, because I don't like your attitude.

Get ready to ignore me, dear.

Faith writes:

...creationists who don't accept the established findings will come to different conclusions based on their different assumptions.

Keyword: Assumptions.
Faith writes:

Since scientific journals adhere to the accepted framework of the ToE, they are not going to consider anything that comes to them from the creationist point of view, at least if it involves the kind of assumptions I've mentioned above. That is, the scientific thinking IS different even if the basic facts are the same wherever these different assumptions are important to the research.

They certainly won't accept the Bible as evidence if that's what you mean.
Tangle writes:

There is no such thing as YEC science, if YEC was science, we'd just call it science.

Logically I can agree with that. If I were to become a Biblical Innerrantist instead, I would have to ignore my own intuition. Which may be what I need to do, in the final analysis. The jury is out.

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