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ringo
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Message 1141 of 1677 (844976)
12-09-2018 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1140 by Phat
12-09-2018 2:36 PM


Re: Ringo Will Explain How God Would Hypothetically Intervene
Phat writes:
Then what? The knives become dull? The chainsaws only magically cut trees and not arms and legs? How far would this magic go?
If God is omnipotent, it goes all the way.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Phat
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Message 1142 of 1677 (844977)
12-09-2018 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1141 by ringo
12-09-2018 2:45 PM


Re: Ringo Will Explain How God Would Hypothetically Intervene
We would become zombies. The whole point of free will is to allow your creation to learn on its own...without intervention. Perhaps you are right. He left us a message and then backed off for a few thousand years to see what we did with it. So far we still have wars, school shootings, and many terrible things that we created. Looks like His experiment is over...now He will return to set things straight, right?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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ringo
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Message 1143 of 1677 (844978)
12-09-2018 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 1142 by Phat
12-09-2018 2:48 PM


Re: Ringo Will Explain How God Would Hypothetically Intervene
Phat writes:
We would become zombies.
Nonsense.
Phat writes:
The whole point of free will is to allow your creation to learn on its own...
What do children learn from being killed?
Phat writes:
So far we still have wars, school shootings, and many terrible things that we created.
Most of them started by believers. So what's your point?
Phat writes:
Looks like His experiment is over...now He will return to set things straight, right?
So what's the difference between setting things straight now and setting things straight right from the beginning? How are believers less zombified in Heaven?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Tangle
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Message 1144 of 1677 (844981)
12-09-2018 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1139 by Phat
12-09-2018 2:35 PM


Re: Giving It All Up and Urging Everyone To Do Likewise
Phat writes:
Being useful to God?
Yeh, like you said.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 1145 of 1677 (844982)
12-09-2018 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1142 by Phat
12-09-2018 2:48 PM


Re: Ringo Will Explain How God Would Hypothetically Intervene
Phat writes:
He left us a message and then backed off for a few thousand years to see what we did with it.
What?
We know that H. Sapiens have been around for at least 200,000 years, so he didn't care until 2,000 years ago?
But that stupidity apart, he KNOWS what will happen - he's all knowing! Why torture us just to find out what happens next - when he already knows anyway?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 1146 of 1677 (844983)
12-09-2018 4:53 PM


Doesn't look like Faith is going to be raptured this year, but there's a few days left. I'm still betting no.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Faith 
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Message 1147 of 1677 (844984)
12-09-2018 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1146 by Tangle
12-09-2018 4:53 PM


I'm going back to my former position of never trying to figure out when it's going to happen. This one was terribly enticing though, so many reasons why Rosh Hashanah this year would have been the perfect time. I was thinking that when it gets close we should know. But Jesus said nobody knows the time and I've decided He meant nobody will EVER know until it happens. I haven't had any more of those "clues" however. It was quite a blitz of them for a while there.

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Faith 
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Message 1148 of 1677 (844985)
12-09-2018 5:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1132 by Tangle
12-09-2018 4:11 AM


Re: Anger Management
Well according to your belief, your god DID obliterate us all at least once.
Yes, and says He is going to do it again at the very end. Meanwhile He takes very good care of us considering what we deserve.
Given that religions are the universal comforter, it's not remotely surprising that they all say 'don't worry, muumy will look after you,.
Maybe not "surprising" but the fact is that you know absolutely zip about religion in general and just make it up, mostly based on what you think you know about Christianity I would guess, but Christianity is NOT like other religions at all. Where do you get the idea that religions are a universal comforter? You guys invent stuff based on your idea that it's all made up anyway so you never learn what it IS all about. As Blaise Pascal said, you really need to learn what the religion you are criticizing actually teaches.
Gosh it turns out that Islam does do a little aping of Christianity concerning God's provision. Imagine that. A silly parody really. Mohammed did know bits and pieces of the Old and New Testaments, enough to get it all truly muddled up, confusing people with each other who lived more than a thousand years apart, and it looks like he had heard the story of God being concerned about the sparrows. But going out hungry and coming back full is indeed a silly parody of the doctrine of Providence. But I understand, you aren't into such refinements, any old silly parody will do.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Tangle
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Message 1149 of 1677 (844986)
12-09-2018 5:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1147 by Faith
12-09-2018 5:12 PM


Faith writes:
I'm going back to my former position of never trying to figure out when it's going to happen.
That's certainly the only way you're not going to be wrong.
I haven't had any more of those "clues" however.
I bet you have, you just don't notice now because you've decided not to.
It was quite a blitz of them for a while there.
Or, you decided to attribute perfectly ordinary events as omens. Which you obviously did as you're still here.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Faith 
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Message 1150 of 1677 (844987)
12-09-2018 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 1149 by Tangle
12-09-2018 5:27 PM


Back to The Rapture
That's certainly the only way you're not going to be wrong.
Oh I was certainly wrong about Rosh Hashanah, but the Rapture is going to happen eventually, and if it happens in our time you'll have to admit YOU were wrong.
I bet you have, you just don't notice now because you've decided not to.
It's true that I mostly forgot about it but I know I would notice that theme if it kept occurring, and when I do make a point of noticing it's never that theme.
Or, you decided to attribute perfectly ordinary events as omens.
Sorry, such a consistent theme is not "ordinary" but obviously I was taking them for something they weren't.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Tangle
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From: UK
Joined: 10-07-2011
Member Rating: 4.9


Message 1151 of 1677 (845004)
12-10-2018 4:03 AM
Reply to: Message 1150 by Faith
12-09-2018 5:35 PM


Re: Back to The Rapture
Faith writes:
Oh I was certainly wrong about Rosh Hashanah, but the Rapture is going to happen eventually, and if it happens in our time you'll have to admit YOU were wrong.
Crazies have been saying that for at least 2,000 years. The evidence is on my side.
It's true that I mostly forgot about it
When you buy a new car you notice all the cars like yours. After a while you 'forget'. But the number of cars like yours doesn't change. Perception is influenced by your mental attunement to a particular circumstance. Try this:
Sorry, such a consistent theme is not "ordinary" but obviously I was taking them for something they weren't.
They are very ordinary, people find meaning in anything if they look for it. Jesus image on a piece of toast? You're denying the evidence of your very own experience.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Pressie
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From: Pretoria, SA
Joined: 06-18-2010


Message 1152 of 1677 (845005)
12-10-2018 4:21 AM
Reply to: Message 1150 by Faith
12-09-2018 5:35 PM


Re: Back to The Rapture
This one is funny.
Faith writes:
...and if it happens in our time you'll have to admit YOU were wrong.
And if it doesn't happen in your lifetime you won't be able to admit that you were wrong. You'll be dead.
It's been happening for 2000 years...

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Faith 
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Message 1153 of 1677 (845010)
12-10-2018 9:20 AM
Reply to: Message 1151 by Tangle
12-10-2018 4:03 AM


Re: Back to The Rapture
They were not ordinary.

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Phat
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Message 1154 of 1677 (845011)
12-10-2018 10:28 AM
Reply to: Message 1146 by Tangle
12-09-2018 4:53 PM


Tangles Real World Certainties
Odd word that you use--betting. Do you have an equal confidence level that the universe contains no God? Or do we all have to first arrive at a consensus of what such a Deity would be defined as?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Tangle
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From: UK
Joined: 10-07-2011
Member Rating: 4.9


Message 1155 of 1677 (845020)
12-10-2018 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1153 by Faith
12-10-2018 9:20 AM


Re: Back to The Rapture
Faith writes:
They were not ordinary.
If they were extraordinary, how come it failed?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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