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Faith 
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Message 271 of 5796 (845110)
12-12-2018 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 270 by Phat
12-12-2018 10:20 AM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
Sorry, I feel I have the ability to judge even if you don't. But I'd also bet you aren't making the effort I've been making to hear the commentaries on the Right.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Phat
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Message 272 of 5796 (845111)
12-12-2018 10:34 AM
Reply to: Message 271 by Faith
12-12-2018 10:23 AM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
We all feel that way to some degree. That's how we adapt our personal beliefs. We judge. We discriminate. It is uniquely human. Critical Thinkers are more driven to disprove what they believe rather than confirm it. To this day I dislike trying to disprove my own beliefs, but it is hardwired into my nature...I can't help it. I feel as if I need to understand how both sides of a given issue feel...rather than the "respected authorities" whom I recognize.
In my private great debate with ICANT, I likely will have to play devils advocate and honestly voice my questions about Christianity, for example. This does not mean that I don't understand the belief. It does not even necessarily mean that I don't believe. It means that I feel I must question. I must honestly admit that I need more information. And not from just one side. You, on the other hand, seem to turn off the information that conflicts with your beliefs. This means that you believe that you have the ability to judge and I don't. I think that believers often have blinders on because they presuppose that their belief overrides and cancels out any conflicting information. They would even claim that we are not to listen to the devil...be he from the Left, Radical Islam, or secular fallen unbelievers. My pastor would urge me to ignore places like EvC. He would claim that it causes me to become double-minded and weaken my faith.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Phat
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Message 273 of 5796 (845113)
12-12-2018 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 271 by Faith
12-12-2018 10:23 AM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
Faith writes:
But I'd also bet you aren't making the effort I've been making to hear the commentaries on the Right.
You would win that bet. I honestly dont make that effort. I would be as likely to listen to both Right and Left commentaries, rather than ignoring either side.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Faith 
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Message 274 of 5796 (845115)
12-12-2018 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 273 by Phat
12-12-2018 10:36 AM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
Yeah, well don't pat yourself on the back too vigorously, you can't miss the Left's commentaries, they're In Your Face wherever you turn. That's the point. Percy's been doing a pretty good job of keeping up with them for instance, just read his stuff on the Trump Bashing Thread. You have to go out of your way to hear the Right's point of view.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Phat
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Message 275 of 5796 (845117)
12-12-2018 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 274 by Faith
12-12-2018 10:57 AM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
You have to go out of your way to hear the Right's point of view.
I hear it from my Right-leaning friends all the time. Some of them are quite intelligent. And I've listened to InfoWars, though I suspect that they are selling something. I am not inclined to believe them any more than I would the New York Times. But there is a difference between questioning something and doubting it.
Take the Bible, for instance. I question what I have been taught. It's my nature. But I don't doubt it simply because I question it.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile

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Faith 
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Message 276 of 5796 (845119)
12-12-2018 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 275 by Phat
12-12-2018 11:05 AM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
Anybody who thinks there's any kind of equality between Left and Right these days so that we have to be "fair" and hear out both sides is really missing it completely IMO. The Left is on a political vendetta, period. I can't even say here what they are guilty of doing because of the prevailing deception. What they are doing to Trump is an abuse of power, a complete violation of what America is supposed to stand for, a complete contempt for those of us who voted for Trump. They are trying to pull off a coup like any third world tyranny and they don't care how they do it they are so sure of their own rightness and so disdainful of the time honored institutions of America. They even try to turn all that against us. It's beyond disgusting.
By the way I haven't been following Infowars these days, not that I've given up on them, but I'm still hearing the radio talk people I started listening to for the Midterm elections. Still particularly like Mark Levin, but there's also Hannity and Limbaugh and Michael Savage and half a dozen others not so well known. They mostly think allike on all these things though there are differences among them. They talk to laywers and in some cases are lawyers themselves, they do their homework, they make the Left sound like the bunch of politically motivated conspirators and manipulators I think they are.
I would like to have heard what Schumer and Pelosi think is their effective enough plan for border security as they kept saying yesterday in the meeting with Trump, but it came across very clearly that they don't like the idea of really protecting our borders, and that Trump does, Trump is really truly for America and for Americans, and they are traitors though we aren't supposed to think that. No, what they in fact are they smear on Trump instead. He doesn't deserve it, they do. Gosh could it be that all they really want is to get enough illegals into the country to increase the population of Democrats? Against the will of the people? No matter what it does to national security? They actively support ILLEGALITY. They actively support sanctuary cities that are bastions of defiance against American citizens and the rule of law, and all that slimy corruption gets rationalized as some kind of moral virtue. Yuck.
There you go patting yourself on the back again. How proud you are of your "questioning" everything. Gosh, it's even your "nature." Well, of course it is, it's your fallen nature. We all have the fallen nature. But believers are supposed to be training ourselves in how to walk by the Spirit and not by the flesh (the fallen nature), not bragging about our "intelligence" which walks by the flesh. Hey, we are supposed to "question" everything EXCEPT the Bible because it's GOD's WORD. If you don't believe that you are no better than all the atheists here even if you claim to be a believer. No wonder all you have is your own subjective feelings since you reject the only objective source of knowledge we have of God and His plans for us.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Taq
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Message 277 of 5796 (845124)
12-12-2018 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 269 by Faith
12-12-2018 10:09 AM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
Faith writes:
The disconnect between what I read here and what I get from the conservative commentators is enormous. It's all designed to bring down Trump whom they hate with a purple passion, by hook or by crook, by spin and by lies, so they will turn moral failures into felonies, and incautious exaggerations or memory failure by him or anyone he knows into prosecutable lies, and invent a huge collusion with Russia out of thin air.
What lies are you talking about?
Last I checked, it is a fact that Cohen plead guilty to campaign finance violations, and as part of his guilty plea he stated he was directed to violate these laws at the behest of Trump. How is it a lie to report this?
How is it a lie to report on an ongoing investigation into possible ties between Trump and the Kremlin? The investigation exists, so it's existence is a fact.
It would appear that you just don't like it when Trump is criticized or questioned.

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Taq
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Message 278 of 5796 (845125)
12-12-2018 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 276 by Faith
12-12-2018 11:26 AM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
Faith writes:
Anybody who thinks there's any kind of equality between Left and Right these days so that we have to be "fair" and hear out both sides is really missing it completely IMO. The Left is on a political vendetta, period. I can't even say here what they are guilty of doing because of the prevailing deception. What they are doing to Trump is an abuse of power, a complete violation of what America is supposed to stand for, a complete contempt for those of us who voted for Trump.
I guess you weren't around for the whole Bill Clinton impeachment fiasco. The Republicans tried to impeach Bill Clinton for lying about an extra-marital affair. That was it.
I would like to have heard what Schumer and Pelosi think is their effective enough plan for border security as they kept saying yesterday in the meeting with Trump, but it came across very clearly that they don't like the idea of really protecting our borders, and that Trump does, Trump is really truly for America and for Americans, and they are traitors though we aren't supposed to think that.
Trump already said that Mexico is going to pay for the wall, so he shouldn't be asking Congress for the money anyway. You should be mad at Trump for lying to you.

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Faith 
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Message 279 of 5796 (845127)
12-12-2018 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 278 by Taq
12-12-2018 11:51 AM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
Trump didn't say Mexico would pay for it up front but will pay for it in the end. Of course he has to get the money from Congress first.
One of the million differences between Clinton or the Clintons and Trump is that he didn't commit his "affairs" in the Oval Office, or even at any point when he was campaigning for the Presidency, and what he did before has nothing to do with any of that, hard as the Left is trying to make it seem it does.

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Faith 
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Message 280 of 5796 (845128)
12-12-2018 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 277 by Taq
12-12-2018 11:48 AM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
There were no campaign financing laws violated no matter what Cohen said.

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DrJones*
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Message 281 of 5796 (845129)
12-12-2018 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 280 by Faith
12-12-2018 12:04 PM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
There were no campaign financing laws violated no matter what Cohen said.
Well why don't you take your vast legal knowledge and courtroom experience to the prosecutors and judges and show them how they're wrong?

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Faith 
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Message 282 of 5796 (845130)
12-12-2018 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 281 by DrJones*
12-12-2018 12:06 PM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
Oh I don't claim any knowledge, I'm just trying to get across something of the Right point of view as I've been getting it, but there are plenty who do know all this and I really hope their views are going to have an impact in the end.

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Message 283 of 5796 (845132)
12-12-2018 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 276 by Faith
12-12-2018 11:26 AM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
Against the will of the people?
the people voted in a Democratic controlled congress, the will of the people is to oppose trump's wall.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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PaulK
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Message 284 of 5796 (845133)
12-12-2018 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 282 by Faith
12-12-2018 12:10 PM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
Ok, so the Right’s point of view is that Trump must be decreed innocent regardless of the facts and everyone else has to go along with it.
Why exactly should we consider this anything more than ridiculous partisan nonsense that deserves to be dismissed out of hand ?

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Taq
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Message 285 of 5796 (845137)
12-12-2018 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 280 by Faith
12-12-2018 12:04 PM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
Faith writes:
There were no campaign financing laws violated no matter what Cohen said.
Sorry, but we are going to need more than your say-so.

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