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Phat
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Message 331 of 5796 (845274)
12-13-2018 6:55 PM
Reply to: Message 330 by Faith
12-13-2018 6:52 PM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
No president should have that much power. I doubt if they could legally get away with doing that anyway.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
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Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
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Faith 
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Message 332 of 5796 (845275)
12-13-2018 6:58 PM
Reply to: Message 331 by Phat
12-13-2018 6:55 PM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
I don't know what it would take and I didn't say, but there are powers the President does have legally and constitutionally that the Left has been interfering with from the beginning of Trump's term, and excuse me but I am very sure that you don't have a clue to any of that. They call anything he does something he has no right to do whether he does or not. They have not a shred of integrity.
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Faith 
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Message 333 of 5796 (845276)
12-13-2018 7:08 PM
Reply to: Message 272 by Phat
12-12-2018 10:34 AM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
It means that I feel I must question. I must honestly admit that I need more information. And not from just one side. You, on the other hand, seem to turn off the information that conflicts with your beliefs. This means that you believe that you have the ability to judge and I don't. I think that believers often have blinders on because they presuppose that their belief overrides and cancels out any conflicting information.
You are gravely in error just for thinking this has anything to do with MY beliefs or anyone's personal beliefs. This is about knowing that the Word of God is God's Word and that is ALL it is about and your notion that you "must question" anything you don't understand about it just shows you are not committed to the rock bottom beliefs of Christianity. (We are not called to understand it all, but we are called to believe it all. That is not true of any other source of information in this world, only the Bible. You are misapplying worldly standards to God's Word.) Whether you can get away with that in the end, whether God will give you a pass or not, I have no idea, but you are violating what is a fundamental position held by all born-again Christians and you keep rationalizing it away when people try to tell you that. We are supposed to have a "teachable" spirit, not a questioning spirit. There is nothing wrong with asking questions in order to understand God's mind but you are asking questions with the mindset of challenging God and Christians. You are seriously in the wrong, Phat.
They would even claim that we are not to listen to the devil...be he from the Left, Radical Islam, or secular fallen unbelievers. My pastor would urge me to ignore places like EvC. He would claim that it causes me to become double-minded and weaken my faith.
Well, he's right, and you keep priding yourself on doing exactly what you are told by your pastor and so many others you should not be doing. That is NOT something to be proud of, that is a very dangerous position you are taking.
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Faith 
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Message 334 of 5796 (845278)
12-13-2018 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 296 by Percy
12-12-2018 8:09 PM


Re: The Faith Fact Checker
Sigh. I was going to try to answer some of that long post but it's too much. I stand by everything I said and calling me a liar for something I believe to be true is underhanded of you.
If you really think that "no one is out to get Trump" you are so seriously deceived there is no helping you. If you think people can't be coerced to lie in a criminal investigation you are truly naive. If you think all those allegations are just true about Trump rather than being invented or manipulated or misidentified, you are wrong. And most of them have been far more true of Obama and the Clintons and other politicians but nobody bothers to hold them accountable for them. They get a pass, Trump doesn't. And you don't notice. Nobody even seems to know that the policies toward illegal immigrants that Trump is called racist and unfair for allowing were done more by Obama than by Trump. You don't know, you don't care, you are on the bandwagon of Trump haters and that's all this is about. Perhaps I'm misstating things to some extent because I'm not tracking down all the details and relying mostly on my memory of what I've been hearing from the very worthy Right, but I know the gist of what I'm saying is correct.
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Faith 
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Message 335 of 5796 (845279)
12-13-2018 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 289 by PaulK
12-12-2018 1:27 PM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
I don't have a source of that 85% poll statistic, it's something I heard on at least one talk show. It looks too high even to me now and maybe I misheard what it was about. But Trump was elected predominantly on his desire to build the wall so it has to be at least the percentage of those who voted for him who continue to support it, and adding some from the opposition would make sense too, even those who otherwise oppose his policies.

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Faith 
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Message 336 of 5796 (845280)
12-13-2018 7:41 PM
Reply to: Message 291 by DrJones*
12-12-2018 1:50 PM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
What is the big deal about a government shutdown? Most functions remain in operation and everybody gets paid during the time off, and the only downside is that they won't get their money until it's over. And we could use some relief from the ongoing government shenanigans anyway IMO.

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Faith 
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Message 337 of 5796 (845283)
12-13-2018 8:03 PM


leaving the public computer
I've been on the public computer for a few hours and am leaving now so I won't be able to answer further posts until tomorrow if I'm able to come here then. All I can do on my own computer is copy and paste letters and words and fragments of words with the mouse, and if I'm really lucky maybe a whole sentence or two. It's a pain in the neck and I may not be able to get it fixed for some time yet.
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Faith 
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Message 338 of 5796 (845284)
12-13-2018 8:13 PM


Oh one more thing: a Fake News report
Somebody here said something about Trump being worried about impeachment. I can't find the post now. But anyway that's a perfect example of Fake News. They make up this stuff all the time based on nothing. Headlines galore every day on the internet insinuate something amiss in the White House. It's never true, it's just invented to create a false impression. If you listened to the Right thinkers you'd know that but instead you all fall for it just as they want you to.
Hasta la vista.
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DrJones*
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Message 339 of 5796 (845285)
12-13-2018 8:21 PM
Reply to: Message 330 by Faith
12-13-2018 6:52 PM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
Cutting off that flow of money immigrants send to Mexico should pay for it without any other deal being made.
How does that money then end up in the government's bank accounts?

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Message 340 of 5796 (845286)
12-13-2018 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 336 by Faith
12-13-2018 7:41 PM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
and the only downside is that they won't get their money until it's over.
and how do you proposes that they feed their children and pay their bills in the meantime? As usual the right's answer to such questions is "fuck you I got mine"
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Dr Adequate
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Message 341 of 5796 (845288)
12-13-2018 9:23 PM
Reply to: Message 334 by Faith
12-13-2018 7:24 PM


Re: The Faith Fact Checker
If you really think that "no one is out to get Trump" you are so seriously deceived there is no helping you. If you think people can't be coerced to lie in a criminal investigation you are truly naive. If you think all those allegations are just true about Trump rather than being invented or manipulated or misidentified, you are wrong. And most of them have been far more true of Obama and the Clintons and other politicians but nobody bothers to hold them accountable for them. They get a pass, Trump doesn't. And you don't notice. Nobody even seems to know that the policies toward illegal immigrants that Trump is called racist and unfair for allowing were done more by Obama than by Trump. You don't know, you don't care, you are on the bandwagon of Trump haters and that's all this is about. Perhaps I'm misstating things to some extent because I'm not tracking down all the details and relying mostly on my memory of what I've been hearing from the very worthy Right, but I know the gist of what I'm saying is correct.
Faith, when you "rely on your memory" you inevitably post dumb shit. Stop doing it.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 342 of 5796 (845289)
12-13-2018 9:37 PM
Reply to: Message 327 by Faith
12-13-2018 6:31 PM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
How on earth could anyone have ever thought Mexico would pay for it directly? That makes NO sense whatever, and Trump couldn't have thought it at any point.
He could and he did. He thought we could bully and threaten Mexico into making a one-time payout rather than facing other forms of economic punishment. It's never a safe bet to say "Trump couldn't have thought it"; Trump can think any dumb thing.

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PaulK
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Message 343 of 5796 (845290)
12-14-2018 12:16 AM
Reply to: Message 335 by Faith
12-13-2018 7:39 PM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
quote:
I don't have a source of that 85% poll statistic, it's something I heard on at least one talk show. It looks too high even to me now and maybe I misheard what it was about.
In other words it’s just another example of you saying something silly.
quote:
But Trump was elected predominantly on his desire to build the wall so it has to be at least the percentage of those who voted for him who continue to support it
Which would still be under 50% of the people. Even assuming none of them have changed their mind in the last two years.
quote:
and adding some from the opposition would make sense too, even those who otherwise oppose his policies.
Or, given that it is an expensive boondoggle, subtracting support would make more sense.
There is still no way to get near 85% support.
Especially as others have provided actual figures which have to be much better than guessing based on a two-year old election result.

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Message 344 of 5796 (845291)
12-14-2018 12:34 AM
Reply to: Message 327 by Faith
12-13-2018 6:31 PM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
quote:
How on earth could anyone have ever thought Mexico would pay for it directly?
Because they are gullible (and xenophobic) fools who believe Trump’s lies?
quote:
That makes NO sense whatever, and Trump couldn't have thought it at any point.
I don’t think Trump believed it, but it was definitely the impression he wanted to give.
Don’t you remember Trump’s phone call to the Mexican President ? That Trump insisted that the Mexican President stop saying that Mexico wouldn’t pay for the wall? (Which is a silly demand since it would be electoral suicide) How does that make sense if the Mexican Government wouldn’t have any say in it ?
(Also Trump admitted that Mexico wouldn’t have to pay which confirms that he was lying)
The reports can still be found
CNN
In his conversation with Pea Nieto, Trump said he was willing to say publicly that he and Mexican authorities would continue to negotiate over the wall's payment, which he said "means it will come out in the wash and that is OK."
But he maintained his insistence that Pea Nieto remain quiet about the issue.
"You cannot say anymore that the United States is going to pay for the wall," he said. "I am just going to say that we are working it out. Believe it or not, this is the least important thing that we are talking about, but politically this might be the most important talk about."

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Message 345 of 5796 (845303)
12-14-2018 5:12 AM
Reply to: Message 307 by Percy
12-13-2018 5:12 PM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
If you disagree that all this rises to the level of possible impeachable offenses then I won't try to persuade you otherwise.
I don't know the details of American law well enough to comment on whether or not it's legally an impeachable offense. I just think that 'lying to the American people' is de rigeur practice for a politician running for election; and am not seeing the earth-shattering importance that you're attributing to it. It looks more like seeking hard to find technical violations of the law in reaction to the fact that there's a worthless scumbag in the White House.
And if you think it wouldn't have made a difference in the election then consider how it would have played if Daniels and McDougal had gone public about the same time Comey announced he was reopening the investigation into Hillary Clinton's emails.
This is all speculation of course, but I think it would have made the square root of fuck all difference. It has never been a secret that Trump is a philanderer. Those who voted for him either don't consider this important; believe that the importance of the positions they share outweigh any personal failings; or opt for denial and willful blindness to avoid any cognitive dissonance. The accusations of Trump's affair with Stormy Daniels stem from 2011; and resurfaced and were discussed at length in 2016 during the election. What difference did they make?
ABE: It's instructive to note that, while Trump's overall approval rating is low, his approval rating amongst people who voted for him in 2016 is remarkably stable. What difference did it make when Stormy Daniels did go public? As noted, Trump voters either don't care or don't believe - I don't know why you think this would be different at any other time.
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