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Message 335 of 5796 (845279)
12-13-2018 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 289 by PaulK
12-12-2018 1:27 PM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
I don't have a source of that 85% poll statistic, it's something I heard on at least one talk show. It looks too high even to me now and maybe I misheard what it was about. But Trump was elected predominantly on his desire to build the wall so it has to be at least the percentage of those who voted for him who continue to support it, and adding some from the opposition would make sense too, even those who otherwise oppose his policies.

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Message 336 of 5796 (845280)
12-13-2018 7:41 PM
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12-12-2018 1:50 PM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
What is the big deal about a government shutdown? Most functions remain in operation and everybody gets paid during the time off, and the only downside is that they won't get their money until it's over. And we could use some relief from the ongoing government shenanigans anyway IMO.

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Faith 
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Message 337 of 5796 (845283)
12-13-2018 8:03 PM


leaving the public computer
I've been on the public computer for a few hours and am leaving now so I won't be able to answer further posts until tomorrow if I'm able to come here then. All I can do on my own computer is copy and paste letters and words and fragments of words with the mouse, and if I'm really lucky maybe a whole sentence or two. It's a pain in the neck and I may not be able to get it fixed for some time yet.
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Message 338 of 5796 (845284)
12-13-2018 8:13 PM


Oh one more thing: a Fake News report
Somebody here said something about Trump being worried about impeachment. I can't find the post now. But anyway that's a perfect example of Fake News. They make up this stuff all the time based on nothing. Headlines galore every day on the internet insinuate something amiss in the White House. It's never true, it's just invented to create a false impression. If you listened to the Right thinkers you'd know that but instead you all fall for it just as they want you to.
Hasta la vista.
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Message 364 of 5796 (845401)
12-15-2018 2:08 PM
Reply to: Message 361 by JonF
12-15-2018 10:31 AM


A former U.S. attorney and a Harvard Law student teamed up to revisit the Steele dossier by cross-referencing it with special counsel Robert Mueller’s findings and unveiled which parts of it hold water.
Mueller's "findings" ???? WHAT findings???? This is insane. There are NO findings about Trump whatever.
Former federal prosecutor Chuck Rosenberg and Harvard Law student Sarah Grant wrote for Lawfare that many of the findings made public as part of Mueller’s probe confirm both specifically and thematically aspects of the dossier.
WHat on EARTH are they talking about? This is evil stupid innuendo that ought to be prosecuted and the writers thrown in prison. All just part of the campaign to insinuate and insinuate and insinuate to bring Trump down, facts be damned.
I can hardly believe anyone still takes that evil fake dossier seriously. Oh, but of course, the Left wouldn't let anything go that smeared Trump no matter how fake. Amazing: it hasn't been "disproven." Wow. It isn't enough that it is officially "unverified," we have to believe it means something against him if it isn't proven. How disgusting can Leftists get? There really is no bottom to it.

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Faith 
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Message 365 of 5796 (845402)
12-15-2018 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 362 by Percy
12-15-2018 12:28 PM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
When first begun it wasn't thought that the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election would lead to the Trump campaign, but it did. We've now learned that at least 16 people connected to the Trump campaign had contact with Russia.
None of it has ever connected Trump with Russia, ever, and that was supposedly the whole point of the investigation. After two years of this there is still no connection with Russia. Mueller should long ago have said he was unable to fulfill the original aim of showing Russian collusion and shut down the investigation.
As for people having contacts with Russia why is it never mentioned that this is standard for any political campaign to make contact with foreign nations that would be affected by new policies, or just for whatever reason. Clinton had deals with Russia and that is completely ignored. There is nothing suspicious about such contacts except when they want to find something to pin on Trump. Which they haven't found either. And there is nothing wrong with business deals either. Especially when Trump didn't even expect to win the election and naturally wanted to keep his businesses alive. Business as usual, nothing about the campaign at all.
And I'll wait and see what happens with this campaign payoff idea. Most of what I've been hearing is that it won't fly. It had nothing to do with the campaign, and even if it did there is no limit on how much the nominee himself is allowed to contribute to his own campaign.

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Faith 
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Message 367 of 5796 (845407)
12-15-2018 2:45 PM


Just a couple of problems with the Left's witch hunt
1. Payoffs, or Nondisclosure Agreements. Rush Limbaugh, yesterday I think, maybe Thursday, said over and over again that the deal Pecker of the Enquirer made to buy off Karen McDougal and kill the story was not in 2015 but August of 2014. Googling it only gets me the usual 2015 but even a few 2016s. Not that I'm surprised that Google would show only the Leftist line, that's what it does. But if Limbaugh is right that means there is no connection between the payoffs and the campaign at all since they occurred before Trump was campaigning for the election, possibly even before he was thinking of running.
And all the Right are pointing out that Congress has a special fund for paying off women who accuse Congressmen of sexual misconduct or harassment or whatever. The hypocrisy is damning. They also point out the attempt to prosecute the Edwards affair which he won.
2. The Wall. Brian Mudd who sat in for Mark Levin on Thursday, said there are 77 countries that have border walls, 62 of them built since 1990. As for walls working he pointed out that the Berlin Wall certainly worked, and the wall Israel built in 2004 has also worked, cutting down on the terrorist problem by 95%.
It's also been pointed out by many that in 2006 THE DEMOCRATS VOTED FOR A WALL, including Pelosi, Obama and Hillary!!! But if Trump wants a wall, nope.
Please God expose all this evil political manipulating and let us do away with it.
3. Oh a new one. The little Guatamalan girl who died after getting across the border, which is being blamed on the Border Patrol, who in fact did their best to save her. She had been deprived of food and water by her parents for days before they reached the US border, and a few hours after their arrival she started having seizures and the Border Patrol helicoptered her to a hospital where she died of dehydration and sepsis. The girl was part of a group of over 150 looking to get into the US illegally, who gave themselves up to the Border Patrol. Possibly her condition was overlooked during the processing of so many people, I don't really know what happened, haven't seen the details described, but it is clear she died because of having been deprived of food and water for days before she arrived in their custody. But they did their best to save her and all you lying Leftists should be sent to Mexico yourselves, such America-haters might as well go live where they won't hate the country they are living in .
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Faith 
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Message 369 of 5796 (845409)
12-15-2018 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 366 by JonF
12-15-2018 2:31 PM


Of course all you've said there is wild assertions without a shred of evidence but you have the gall to demand evidence from me? WHAT "part of the dossier" has been "verified" and what does that mean anyway? WHAT "felonies" you lying Leftists?
The "dossier" was the original reason for the investigation. The original reason for the investigation was allegations of collusion with Russia. There was no collusion with Russia. The stuff they've found is personal crimes by people that have nothing to do with Trump, and they aren't part of what the investigation was supposed to be about.
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Faith 
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Message 370 of 5796 (845411)
12-15-2018 2:55 PM
Reply to: Message 368 by JonF
12-15-2018 2:46 PM


NRe: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
NONE of the connections with Russia by ANYBODY amounted to "wrongdoing." That's all lying Leftistspeak.
If the payoffs occurred in 2014 rather than 2015 there is no connection with the campaign whatever. But if Trump ever paid off anyone before the campaign anyway there is no connection, it's clearly a personal thing.
You want to believe he committed crimes and the media feed you that line every day and you swallow it happily but there is no actual evidence for criminal activity whatever.
There is nothing frantic about the Right wing answers to these lies. It's reasonable thoughtful commentary. Unlike the endless stream of slimy innuendo from the Left.

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Message 372 of 5796 (845414)
12-15-2018 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 363 by Percy
12-15-2018 12:59 PM


Re: The Faith Fact Checker
You're referring to Obama deporting more illegal immigrants than Trump. But the actual concern is Trump's punitive treatment of immigrants, both illegal and those simply seeking asylum, such as family separation.
No I am talking about the punitive treatment, including separation of children from parents, that was SOP under OBAMA.
I admit I'm not good at this sort of discussion, I find it hard to keep information in mind, and I wish there were others here who would support me. Marc9000 usually does a pretty good job but he's not always around and I don't know of anyone else. In any case the Leftist line that is pursued here is a pack of lies and needs to be confronted.
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Message 373 of 5796 (845415)
12-15-2018 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 371 by JonF
12-15-2018 3:03 PM


Re: Just a couple of problems with the Left's witch hunt
All your flat assertions are just the usual Leftistspeak, I have no reason to pay any attention to them. Sure investigate the Border Patrol incident, why not, the Left "investigates" anything at great cost to the taxpayers that might make this administration look bad without the slightest concern for the truth.
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Faith 
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Message 375 of 5796 (845417)
12-15-2018 3:16 PM
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12-15-2018 12:59 PM


Re: The Faith Fact Checker
Collusion with Russia is far more true of Obama and the Clintons than of Trump? p
Certainly true of the Clintons, yes. Uranium deal while Bill was getting hundreds of thousands for a talk there.
Hillary should ahve been prosecuted for her email fraud but got a pass on that we can be sure Trump would never get. Poor Ivanka who did nothing remotely like what Hillary did they've tried to smear with that crime. No you aren't following evidence, but I'll give you that you think you are. You are following Leftist insinuations.
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Faith 
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Message 377 of 5796 (845419)
12-15-2018 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 374 by JonF
12-15-2018 3:12 PM


Evidence on the dossirr, read the link I posted. What felonies?
I will not read your link. It's your job to make the case.
Obviously your right-wing sources didn't tell YOU. Allegedly Trump instructed Cohen's and Pecker to pay the women off with their own funds for the express purpose of influencing the election which was a few weeks away.
Says who? Cohen to whats his name the other day? Cohen who has turned against Trump hoping he'll get off easier? Lying Cohen talking to a lackey of the Clintons? abe: Stephanopoulos oh yeah /abe Yes Cohen did say that. Why do you believe him? Nobody liked him before, but now that he's a mouthpiece against Trump everybody loves him to pieces. Trump denies it, there is reason to believe Pecker initiated the Enquirer payment, not Trump. Who says it's iillegal to direct agents to make payments for you? It's his own money, he's paying for a personal transaction, there is no evidence whatever that it had anything to do with the campaign.
Those were illegal campaign contributions, far exceeding the limits on Cohen and AMI, and directing them would be illegal.
There is no evidence except Cohen for this and why should anyone believe him? Rush said the offer came from Pecker to Trump, Pecker bought McDougal's story and killed it. Perhaps this occurred in August of 2014 as Rush says, I'm waiting to see. I certainly don't believe one thing I'm hearing from you Leftists. And the "limits" on campaign contributions do not apply to the candidate himself who can spend anything he wants on his own election.
The dossier was not the original reason for the investigation. The FBI's Russia investigation began in the summer of 2016 when investigators learned that a Trump campaign foreign policy aide, George Papadopoulos, had been importuned by Russian intelligence operatives in London. They offered him "dirt" on Hillary Clinton and "off-the-record" meetings with Russian officials.
Unfortunately I'm not up on this but Papadopoulos has said he was misled and I don't remember the details. Besides there is nothing illegal about meeting with Russians even to get dirt on an opponent. What makes you think there is?
None of those "Indictments, guilty pleas, and prison sentences" have anything to do with Russia collusion. Except of the Russians themselves. All the others are for personal crimes unrelated to the campaign or to Russia.
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Faith 
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Message 379 of 5796 (845424)
12-15-2018 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 376 by JonF
12-15-2018 3:24 PM


Re: The Faith Fact Checker
I'll wait and see. As I said I don't trust anything from the Left, or from EvC, too much is political fraud and it's all based on hating Trump both personally and politically. The people I'm listening to are interviewing lawyers about all these things so why should i believe your lawyer? Mark Levin is a lawyer himself, so is Laura Ingraham.

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Message 380 of 5796 (845425)
12-15-2018 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 378 by JonF
12-15-2018 3:40 PM


What recordings? Of what? I don't believe a thing you say.
What public record? Google has 2015 not 2016, why should any of that be believed? I'm going witn Limbaugh for the time being.

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