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Percy Member Posts: 22492 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
I personally think the House should wait for the Mueller report before deciding whether Trump has committed any high crimes or misdemeanors that rise to the level of impeachability, but in an op-ed piece in today's New York Times David Leonhardt makes the case for impeachment before we even find out what Mueller knows. Here are some key excerpts from The People vs. Donald J. Trump: He is demonstrably unfit for office. What are we waiting for?. I encourage people to read the full piece instead of these excerpts, even though it is lengthy - it actually appears in the Times Sunday Review rather than in The New York Times itself. The links in these excerpts work:
quote: --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22492 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
On today's Meet the Press, former Democratic Maryland representative Donna Edwards in response to the question, "Are impeachment hearings inevitable in this new House?"
quote: --Percy
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I wish they would do something, but I can also see the whole effort simply making his position stronger. His base often works in direct inverse proportion to logic, reason, and reality.
I did take notice of Trumps comment on using the emergency powers act if necessary ...and wonder if he would attempt any outrageous action were he getting impeached? Or if he could.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0
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I think the whole Trump pre-2016 election campaign was an effort to loose. He did a failed outstanding job of showing that he shouldn't be President. Way back, I said that Trump was Andrew Dice Clay, only with (maybe) a lot of money. Now he's stuck with the job.
I think that Trump might well be trying to get impeached. His ego won't let him just quit, so impeachment would be his easiest way out of a job he really doesn't want. He'd go out being seen by his core supporters as some sort of martyr to the cause. MooseProfessor, geology, Whatsamatta U Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment. "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith "Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien "I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1051 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
third option: that's russia's official line, therefore it is his I wasn't thinking about the specific view of history he's presenting, so much as the incoherent way he presents it. It's difficult to fathom what kind of understanding lies behind such a phrase as 'they went into being called Russia again instead of the Soviet Union.' It's like listening to someone who's heard of something called Russia but doesn't really know what it is, and are trying to hide their ignorance.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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Yeah, he didn't make any sense. Maybe someone should ask him whether he thinks Stalin was a Russian or a Georgian? I think that would blow his "mind".
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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On YouTube I found a series of videos whose premise echoes my own experience: How Creationism Taught Me Real Science. It is a series of more than 40 videos by Tony Reed whose general format is that he starts out "encountering" a creationist claim, finds that it sounds convincing, and decides to check it out, to verify it. And of course the claim falls apart under inspection. That title and approach really appeals to me, because it reflects my own experience, that by verifying creationist claims I have learned so much more actual science.
For that matter, I would be very supportive of a public school class in which specific scientific topics raised by creationism would be examined. Frank Awbrey and Bill Thwaites ran just such a "two-model" class at San Diego State University in which visiting professional creationists mainly from the Institute for Creation Research (ICR, in those days about a dozen miles away in Santee) presented half of the lectures and Awbrey and Thwaites (A&T) presented the other half, primarily to present the actual science and to respond to the creationists -- eg, it was at Gish's lecture on the bombardier beetle where the two chemicals were supposed to react by spontaneously exploding that A&T mixed the two chemicals together and ... nothing happened. The SDSU administration eventually forced A&T to close their class because of pressure from the campus Christian clubs. So much for creationist support of "equal time and treatment". Similarly, this Trump Administration is providing the same service as creationism as it continually raises legal and constitutional questions that extremely few members of the public were even aware of. As Trump continually pushes against the limits of what is allowed or allowable (with no clue as to what is or should be allowed, since he's a "fucking moron" (Tillerson) detached from reality), we gain from all the watchers and analysts, many of whom do have a background in law. Going into this, most of the questions of what the President can and cannot do and of what we can or cannot do against him have for a couple centuries been mainly academic exercises. Now Trump is forcing all that into practical practice. And now we are learning so much more about pardons, the Posse Comitatus Act (1878), the National Emergencies Act (1976), etc.
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Percy Member Posts: 22492 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
As most people know by now, in a court filing a few days ago Manafort's lawyers failed to properly redact one of the documents revealing that Mueller had accused their client of lying about providing Trump campaign polling data to the Russians during the 2016 election. The filing didn't deny that Manafort did it, arguing only that his failure to inform Mueller was because he simply didn't recall it at the time, that he wasn't hiding anything and therefore didn't violate his plea agreement.
So we now know that Manafort was providing information to Russian intelligence. We don't know why he was doing this, but if there was a quid pro quo and if the candidate knew about it then Trump is in a lot of trouble, the "impeachable offense" kind of trouble. Also recall that while Manafort was operating under the plea agreement and telling Mueller what he knew that he was also crossing the street into the White House and telling them everything Mueller was asking him about, another violation of his plea agreement. Manafort's lawyers did manage to redact the rest of the filing documents, so we don't know the rest of what the filing says. Maybe it constitutes an effective defense, maybe not. but if it turns out that Manafort provided the polling data in exchange for something (email hacking, for example) then he's got a lot more to worry about than just plea bargain violations. Charges of treason could be in his future. For those of you who think all liberal news outlets are fake news, this information comes from the conservative Washington Examiner (Andrew Napolitano: Mueller can show Trump campaign 'had a connection to Russian intelligence'), and it cites the conclusions of Fox News legal commentator Judge Andrew Napolitano from his Wednesday segment. Poor Trump. He can't even watch Fox News anymore. --Percy
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
Snopes rates it as "true". The character's name was Walter Trump.
1958 TV Show Had Conman ‘Trump’ Selling Mystical ‘Wall’ To Hysterical Townspeople - TPM – Talking Points Memo Did a 1950s TV Episode Feature a Character Named Trump Who Offered to Build a Protective Wall? | Snopes.com
Moose Added by edit - a followup article: A Trump 1950s TV Episode Truth Movement? - TPM – Talking Points Memo It seems the probability that the origin of the Walter Trump name is connected to Donald Trump's father, Fred Trump. Edited by AdminPhat, : No reason given. Edited by Minnemooseus, : Added by edit.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 638 days) Posts: 3228 Joined:
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I think McConnell is the person who is most responsible for the lack of bipartisanship, and for congressional dysfunction than any other person.
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Percy Member Posts: 22492 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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I think leadership in both the House and Senate (Ryan and McConnell) were enabling and complicit in encouraging and amplifying Trump's autocratic penchants. Fortunately Ryan is gone, but McConnell remains. His laissez-faire attitude toward Trump misdeeds and abandonment of all oversight responsibilities has contributed greatly to the erosion of American institutions and global leadership. He (and Ryan) seems to think it his responsibility to implement the president's program.
There's a strange and perverted attitude on the Republican side of the aisle that believes there should be one party rule, that it is the duty of Republicans, by hook or by crook, to keep Democrats, once elected, from exercising any power. We saw this very recently in Wisconsin where a Democrat finally won the governorship and attorney general spot. Republican leadership declared under the full glare of TV lights that they would do all in their power to limit the influence of Democrats in state government. --Percy Edited by Percy, : Punctuation - a missing period.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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This is all stems from when the GOP decided that politics was a zero-sum game. To a great extent, compromise was a hallmark of US politics. With the rise of the radical, religious right and the tea party, compromise is seen as a weakness. This was one of the crowning failures of Obama. He thought until close to the end of his presidency that the GOP would compromise for the good of the country. But instead most of them saw an uppity n-word. They were not satisfied until he and the Dems lost. There was no compromise acceptable to them. To them, it is party over country.
There will be no stability or moving forward in the US until the current Republican drifts away inti insignificance. Hopefully then, a new conservative party will arise to put a check on the worst impulses of the progressive movement(of which I am a proud member). Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
If Elizabeth Warren, often referred to by me as Pocahontas, did this commercial from Bighorn or Wounded Knee instead of her kitchen, with her husband dressed in full Indian garb, it would have been a smash!
Via BBC
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Here are 18 reasons Trump could be a Russian asset
A list from Robert Reich:
quote: What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8552 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
I think the most important reason Trump continues to work for the Russians is because Putin has the pee video.
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