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ringo
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Message 85 of 101 (846528)
01-08-2019 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by Phat
01-07-2019 7:02 PM


Re: What Rules Out Fiction?
Phat writes:
I think too many people read too many reports from critics who persuade them to logically stop believing.
I heave never read anything like that.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 86 of 101 (846529)
01-08-2019 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by Phat
01-08-2019 9:14 AM


Re: Why Apologise for Apologetics?
Phat writes:
Additionally, we have the question of what is doctrine vs what is dogma.
There's no real distinction.
Phat writes:
Now to be precise, we have 66 books rather than one book, thus 66 sources.
To be even more precise, we have a canon of approved sources which were chosen because they fit the desired dogmas. If science worked the same way, it would accept only the evidence that fits the existing theories. We'd have no quantum mechanics, no relativity, no evolution, etc. We'd still have phlogiston and a flat earth at the center of the universe.
Phat writes:
Your argument now seems to be that there is one God who is the same in the OT and the NT.
My argument is that the genocide God is in both the Old and New Testaments, so the "progressive revelation" ploy with a "loving God" has no basis.
Phat writes:
Thus, in order to satisfy this argument, the "loving God" has to be imagined and lived by us and through us.
Apparently, you have to make up a "loving God" to be able to swallow Him.

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ringo
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Message 91 of 101 (847849)
01-28-2019 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 87 by Phat
01-27-2019 2:30 PM


Re: Why Apologise for Apologetics?
Phat writes:
You cant have evidence in invisible Spirits either pro or con.
"Invisible spirits" is the worst copout of all. Leprechauns hide because they want you to have faith. The Loch Ness Monster hides because she wants you to have faith. Bigfoot hides because he wants you to have faith. The earth pretends to be round because it wants you to have faith in its flatness.
It's a stupid, stupid argument. Why do you waste time with it?
Phat writes:
There is no reason to reject belief in an invisible power that permeates the universe simply because such a hypothetical power doesn't *do* everything that you think such a power *should* do.
That's just dishonest. You yourself reject all kinds of similar beliefs. If there's a reason to reject Zeus and Thor, the same reasoning applies to Jehovah and Jesus.
Phat writes:
And skepticism is?
Skepticism is the opposite of gullibility. A skeptic doesn't buy the bridge and then jump off of it.
Phat writes:
We are back to the whole Leap Of Faith argument.
There is no argument there. Look before you leap.
Phat writes:
Your problem is that all you have ever hoped for is significant evidence.
Stop trying to psychoanalyze me. You're really bad at it.
Phat writes:
And not evidence for God so much as evidence for why your doubts and questions had substance.
Nonsense.

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