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Message 284 of 5796 (845133)
12-12-2018 12:20 PM
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12-12-2018 12:10 PM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
Ok, so the Right’s point of view is that Trump must be decreed innocent regardless of the facts and everyone else has to go along with it.
Why exactly should we consider this anything more than ridiculous partisan nonsense that deserves to be dismissed out of hand ?

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Message 289 of 5796 (845142)
12-12-2018 1:27 PM
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12-12-2018 1:20 PM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
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No. poll 85 Percent for Trump's wall.
Source, please.

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Message 343 of 5796 (845290)
12-14-2018 12:16 AM
Reply to: Message 335 by Faith
12-13-2018 7:39 PM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
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I don't have a source of that 85% poll statistic, it's something I heard on at least one talk show. It looks too high even to me now and maybe I misheard what it was about.
In other words it’s just another example of you saying something silly.
quote:
But Trump was elected predominantly on his desire to build the wall so it has to be at least the percentage of those who voted for him who continue to support it
Which would still be under 50% of the people. Even assuming none of them have changed their mind in the last two years.
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and adding some from the opposition would make sense too, even those who otherwise oppose his policies.
Or, given that it is an expensive boondoggle, subtracting support would make more sense.
There is still no way to get near 85% support.
Especially as others have provided actual figures which have to be much better than guessing based on a two-year old election result.

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Message 344 of 5796 (845291)
12-14-2018 12:34 AM
Reply to: Message 327 by Faith
12-13-2018 6:31 PM


Re: The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
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How on earth could anyone have ever thought Mexico would pay for it directly?
Because they are gullible (and xenophobic) fools who believe Trump’s lies?
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That makes NO sense whatever, and Trump couldn't have thought it at any point.
I don’t think Trump believed it, but it was definitely the impression he wanted to give.
Don’t you remember Trump’s phone call to the Mexican President ? That Trump insisted that the Mexican President stop saying that Mexico wouldn’t pay for the wall? (Which is a silly demand since it would be electoral suicide) How does that make sense if the Mexican Government wouldn’t have any say in it ?
(Also Trump admitted that Mexico wouldn’t have to pay which confirms that he was lying)
The reports can still be found
CNN
In his conversation with Pea Nieto, Trump said he was willing to say publicly that he and Mexican authorities would continue to negotiate over the wall's payment, which he said "means it will come out in the wash and that is OK."
But he maintained his insistence that Pea Nieto remain quiet about the issue.
"You cannot say anymore that the United States is going to pay for the wall," he said. "I am just going to say that we are working it out. Believe it or not, this is the least important thing that we are talking about, but politically this might be the most important talk about."

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Message 409 of 5796 (845523)
12-16-2018 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 408 by Percy
12-16-2018 5:03 PM


Re: A Few Books
It’s funny how someone who rails against lying character assassination should consider Jerome Swift Boat Corsi a trustworthy source.

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Message 440 of 5796 (846763)
01-11-2019 12:18 PM
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01-11-2019 12:13 PM


Re: Making America Great and Good Again
And don’t forget the major back-pedalling on Trump’s pull-out from Syria.

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Message 449 of 5796 (846795)
01-11-2019 4:33 PM


Sandy Hook parents case against Alex Jones moves ahead
ABC News
Cue more hypocritical screams from the Right about threats to freedom.

  
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Message 486 of 5796 (846928)
01-13-2019 2:56 PM
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01-13-2019 2:42 PM


Re: More Fake News from Fox
Hilary Clinton is on video saying that she had voted for a barrier when she was a senator. Which we already knew. The clip does not included her saying anything about what she wanted in 2015, nor any context to show why she was saying what she said.
It starts about 11 seconds in, and it is very short.

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Message 487 of 5796 (846929)
01-13-2019 3:24 PM
Reply to: Message 486 by PaulK
01-13-2019 2:56 PM


Re: More Fake News from Fox
And because I can do research I was able to find a complete report from the time, including context, more complete video and a rough transcript.
Latino USA
Here is one paragraph.
We need to secure our borders, I’m for it, I voted for it, I believe in it, and we also need to deal with the families, the workers who are here, who have made contributions, and their children. Mexican immigration no longer is really the issue. The Mexican economy is doing well enough, we’ve had no net Mexican immigration in the last several years. We now get immigrants from Central America and Latin America. And a lot of them make a very dangerous trip with smugglers and traffickers to try to get in to our country. And we need to do more to try to put some resources into those countries to try to deal with some of the conditions particularly the violence, the drug dealers and the like, that create that.
So no, she did not explicitly support a wall, but she did point to other things that should be done. And where is Trump on providing a road to citizenship for illegal immigrants who have proved to be valuable members of society ? Where is Trump on helping the war-torn countries that refugees are fleeing from ?

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Message 499 of 5796 (846955)
01-14-2019 12:22 AM
Reply to: Message 497 by Percy
01-13-2019 9:15 PM


Re: More Fake News from Fox
See Message 487 for what Hilary Clinton actually said.
Just another example of deception from Fox News.

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Message 509 of 5796 (847022)
01-15-2019 5:18 PM
Reply to: Message 508 by Tangle
01-15-2019 5:13 PM


Re: May and Brexit Suffer a Major Blow
You forgot the xenophobia. Trump went for Mexicans, the Brexiteers for Eastern Europeans.
Oh, and the lying.
And the use of social media.
And very likely Russian manipulation.
The parallels between the referendum and Trump’s election are quite strong.

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Message 715 of 5796 (847837)
01-28-2019 8:01 AM
Reply to: Message 714 by Percy
01-28-2019 7:48 AM


Re: The Deal to Reopen the Government is Still a Bad One for America
The only sensible compromise is to say thatTrump can have money for his silly wall if the Mexican Government pays it. That’s what Trump promised. If he can’t get that, then maybe the decisions on how to implement border security should be based on more sensible considerations.

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Message 798 of 5796 (848047)
01-31-2019 2:59 AM
Reply to: Message 788 by Faith
01-30-2019 5:32 PM


Re: Jobs Americans won't do
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How do you explain this situation of people having to have more than one job in order to survive? That was not the case until fairly recently. My father supported a family of six on his own income and he didn't make a lot of money. That situation pretty much persisted through the years I was married and raising my daughter too. When did that change and why?
The central issue is that wages are a cost and in a capitalist system there is pressure to keep costs down. There are a number of ways that has played out, but that is the underlying reason.
If there is a way to do a job cheaper, through automation, moving it abroad or replacing workers or reducing benefits somebody will do it. They will do it for profits or to keep prices down or because it is the only way to stay in business.
One thing you ought to think about is Minimum Wage - and what happens every time there is a move to increase it.

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Message 803 of 5796 (848053)
01-31-2019 8:01 AM
Reply to: Message 801 by Faith
01-31-2019 4:55 AM


Re: Jobs Americans won't do
Perhaps the biggest thing - on that side - is that automation and foreign competition - in many ways - have cost a lot of the jobs that paid reasonably well. Minimum wage service jobs are generally hard to automate and can’t be sent abroad. And minimum wage is just too low to live on.
There are many changes that have enabled that, including improved technology, industrial development in other countries, lower trade barriers and so on.
The rise of the “gig economy” where workers are low paid “contractors” with few - if any - benefits, hasn’t helped.
(Uber is the big example of that. And they are working hard on self-driving cars so they can eventually get rid of their drivers anyway.)

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Message 814 of 5796 (848079)
01-31-2019 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 813 by Faith
01-31-2019 1:13 PM


Re: Senate Resolution to Condemn Trump on Foreign Policy
The fact that it’s McConnell and the Republicans poised to rebuke a Republican President is surely worthy of note.

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