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Faith 
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Message 48 of 76 (846721)
01-10-2019 9:24 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Stile
01-10-2019 12:03 PM


Your "facts" are not facts.

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Message 51 of 76 (846769)
01-11-2019 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by ooh-child
01-11-2019 1:31 PM


Re: Biblical slavery
Slavery is not the subject but if you insist on it: just as with the actual violence we are discussing, the historical biblical context does not give justification for it now, and Paul's recommendation to a Christian slave owner to release his Christian slave sets this new tone, which was the basis for Christian abolition of slavery in our time.
However, Muslims continue enslaving people to this day, although I have no idea if there is justification in their "holy" books as there is for murdering Jews and Christians and polytheists. And any other "infidel" who rejects Allah. Perhaps they don't need to bother with such niceties as a command from Allah to make slaves of people.
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Message 52 of 76 (846771)
01-11-2019 2:10 PM
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01-11-2019 9:49 AM


You are SO confused, Or willfully obtuse. Your "facts" are not facts.

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Message 54 of 76 (846777)
01-11-2019 2:39 PM
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01-11-2019 2:31 PM


I explained it all at least three times. If that isn't enough for you that's your fault. It's quite clear. Your "facts" are not facts.

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Message 58 of 76 (846836)
01-12-2019 1:51 PM
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01-12-2019 11:30 AM


Re: Biblical slavery
There was one slave involved, who was a Christian and with Paul at the time. Paul wrote to his owner, also a Christian whom he knew, to suggest that he set him free. It's there to be a model for whomever. They had both become Christians and Paul was a Christian leader.

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Message 59 of 76 (846837)
01-12-2019 1:52 PM
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01-12-2019 1:12 PM


Re: Biblical slavery
I think the slave and his owner may both have been Greek, but I'd have to check. Slavery existed universally in those days.

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Message 60 of 76 (846838)
01-12-2019 1:53 PM
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01-11-2019 3:09 PM


Re: Biblical slavery
You'd rather he shot him?

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Message 62 of 76 (846841)
01-12-2019 2:12 PM
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01-12-2019 1:56 PM


Re: Biblical slavery
Because slavery was an entrenched practice everywhere in the world, just one of many classes of people in all societies and not considered to be a particular wrong. That understanding had to grow over time. Unbelievers have the silly habit of reading the Bible anachronistically, from within today's social contexts. Paul was being respectful to the slave owner as a reasonable person, and counting on his Christian conscience to see his point.
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Message 65 of 76 (846845)
01-12-2019 3:03 PM
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01-12-2019 2:37 PM


Re: Biblical slavery
Fine. Write your own Bible, the real one is obviously so far inferior to your wisdom we need yours to replace it.

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Message 66 of 76 (846847)
01-12-2019 3:05 PM
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01-12-2019 3:03 PM


Re: Biblical slavery
See post above. I defer to your obviously superior wisdom. Maybe I'll listen to your idiotic videos later.

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Message 69 of 76 (846879)
01-13-2019 7:34 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by Capt Stormfield
01-12-2019 3:30 PM


Re: Biblical slavery
What would really be helpful is if all my opponents stopped saying stupid false irrelevant things and wasting space.

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Message 70 of 76 (846880)
01-13-2019 7:39 AM
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01-12-2019 3:03 PM


Re: Biblical slavery
I heard a few seconds of the video. No the Bible does not "sanction" slavery, it treats it as a universal social practice that was so entrenched it had to wait until the culture was more advanced to be able to do away with it. Meanwhile the Mosaic Law humanized and liberalized the laws governing it.
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Faith 
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Message 72 of 76 (846890)
01-13-2019 9:19 AM
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01-13-2019 8:54 AM


Re: Biblical slavery
My God is wise and doesn't push people beyond our abilities.
Since this culture is now even more advanced and is well on its way toward changing the universal social practices of homophobia are you willing to accept gay marriage in modern society? Any problems with premarital sex? How about eating shellfish?
There is no such thing as homophobia in the sense used by Cultural Marxist Political Correctness and is not a sin in any case but homosexual behavior is a sin against God's Law.
You are thinking illogically. We were able to do away with the cultural sin of slavery in the Christian west, though it continues in the rest of the world. If we could also do away with the sin of homosexual behavior then the situations would be roughly parallel (although homosexual sin is a persona sin and slavery a cultural sin). Want to help us do away with homosexual behavior so we can clear the board of that sin too? Premarital sex is also a sin. Want to help us rid the culture of that one?
Shellfish was forbidden to the Israelites as part of the food prohibitions which were a way to distinguish them from the surrounding idolatrous nations. Those food laws were specifically rescinded in the New Testament. But feel free to avoid eating shellfish if it offends your conscience to eat it.
You really should not try to think about these things. You aren't any good at it.
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