Tribute Thread For the Recently Raptured Faith

Oh lots more than thousands of witnesses of the miracles that prove God in the Bible. The entire Israelite population was in the millions when they crossed the Red Sea on dry land and were led by the pillars of cloud and fire. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

All that "evidence" of yours is bogus revisionist crap.

Your "evidence" comes from unbelieving "scholars" who had a bias against the supernatural. That makes it all revisionist crap to be thrown in the trash. The Bible as traditionally understood is correct. Moses wrote and oversaw the writing of the Torah/Pentateuch and there was no gap of hundreds of years between its events and the writing since he was there during it all. You are the liar and the irrational ranter, both.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Sigh. We were talking about the miracles that were given as evidence for God. Sigh.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Disbelief in the supernatural is hardly a mere ad hominem in relation to "scholars" working on a book known for its supernatural content. It is a flat-out disqualification for the job.The "internal evidence" you tout so highly is nothing but the subjective imaginings of the bogus "scholars."The rest of your stuff doesn't deserve an answer.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I have never pointed to the Creation or to the Flood as evidence for God that I know of. It is the miracles He performed in the leading of His people that are intended as the evidence.

Truly Leftists and atheists must be missing some essential part of the brain.

People say a lot worse about me all the time, and you are one of them.

Hi Phat,I meant to ask you this at the time and forgot, but I just found myself wandering into this general area while researching something else and am now up to my ears in it. If you've described this event in detail somewhere, would you please point me to it, or describe it now if you haven't? Specifically I'm interested in how it came about and if the man was ever delivered from his demons?Thanks.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Thanks for responding.
I wish you wouldn't even try to characterize my views on science since you get it completely wrong. But anyway.I get the impression that this event spontaneously occurred, brought about by prayer perhaps? That is, it wasn't an intentional attempt to cast demons out of this person, they simply manifested spontaneously? It doesn't sound like anyone really knew how to deal with the situation and the demons were not cast out, is that true? Do you have any knowledge of what happened to this man after that?I know you are more interested in the topic of experiences of the supernatural and their reality, but I take all that for granted and am interested in the phenomena of demon possession and how to deal with it. I've never fully trusted the charismatic accounts of these things, though I'm not sure I could clearly say what bothers me about them, but I've actually thought they are more likely to CAUSE demon possession than cure it. And I haven't witnessed such a thing myself, but I found a book that sounds saner than most on the subject that I may order. Not a charismatic but a Baptist who was only nineteen or so when he first encountered demons in a neighbor and didn't know what to do about it, couldn't get anyone to help him, and the man died soon afterward from a "heart attack" that didn't really fit the symptoms of a heart attack. A rather abrupt introduction to the phenomena though it took him many years and more experiences before he committed himself to learning about it. I think there must be a lot of demon-possessed people around these days.I put myself on Inactive but of course as usual I end up wanting to talk about something. We could continue this by email, but maybe it's OK here. What do you think?Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Since I'm here for the time being, I'll chime in that my father grew up on a farm not far from Calgary that his father, who had come from London, had homesteaded. My grandmother's family had come from Scotland to eastern Canada and went across Canada in a covered wagon to Alberta, where she met my grandfather.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

If there is a lot more you'd like to describe then let's do it in PM, but the only other question I have at the moment is whether you had any other experiences of demon possession?People can certainly live normal lives even with demons, as Jason apparently did, since they often affect only one particular part of a person's personality, but he'd be a lot better off if delivered from them, and maybe that can still be done. It seems that demons manifest most frequently when they are challenged by biblical truth, which is what probably happened at your place that night.The man I mentioned who discovered his neighbor was demon-possessed had been trying to share the gospel with him, and at some point quoted 1 John 4:1-6, which caused the man to stiffen up with his eyes rolled back in his head, and voices to come out of him.Later in his life he was a pastor who had a young woman in his congregation who came frequently for counseling even though she seemed to be helped on the previous occasions. But it would only help her depression for a short period, and then she'd come back. He hadn't dealt with demons since the neighbor incident but decided to see what would happen if he quoted 1 John 4 to her. She stiffened in the chair and her eyes rolled back in her head and she started screaming profanities, and that's when it became clear he had a case of demon possession on his hands. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I've thought for years that many cases of mental illness are probably the result of demon possession.Phat said he and his friends heard many voices coming out of this one friend. Ever heard that? How do you explain that away?

I had the experience of "speaking in tongues" when I was in the charismatic movement for a few years. I was praying out loud for some reason, not something I normally do, and these other sounds just started coming out. I was not controlling them, they just happened. They had a definite pattern that would repeat itself over and over. At first I assumed "Oh, I finally got the gift of tongues, great" but as I kept speaking these sounds over the next few days it just did not feel right, didn't feel like worship at all as it is claimed to be. It kept being easy to just let the sounds roll, but I also was distrustful enough to suppress them. Since I was not doing it, was not controlling it, I have to call it "supernatural." It could be demonic. But the Chinese Christian leader Watchman Nee wrote a book about the charismatic phenomena as "soul power" that he understood to be powers possessed by Adam and Eve that were lost at the Fall but may still persist in fragmented form in some people. That would include psychic powers, mistaken by charismatics as the "gift of prophecy," and so on. I don't know but if this is a demon I'd like to be delivered of it.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

It may not be an actual communication, I don't really know for sure what it is, but it is definitely a pattern of sounds that people "speak" though they aren't controlling them except to start and stop them. In a charismatic church once, my pastor suggested that everyone face east and speak in their "tongue" and the whole room was full of these odd sounds because so many had that "gift" which isn't a gift but who knows what it is."Tic" indeed. You guys will go to any bizarre lengths to try to explain these things away.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.