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ringo
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Message 1534 of 1677 (847329)
01-21-2019 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 1524 by Faith
01-20-2019 7:19 PM


Re: No comparison with Tourette's
Faith writes:
Scripture says we can even control prophecy....
Chapter and verse?
Faith writes:
... and prophecy is given by the Holy Spirit so you are wrong that we can't control His gifts.
There's a difference. Speaking in tongues is supposedly the Holy Spirit speaking directly, using a person's voice, in a language that that person doesn't understand. A prophet, on the other hand, is relaying a message in his own words in a language that he and everybody else understands. Two thoroughly different methods of communication, albeit with the same source.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 1535 of 1677 (847330)
01-21-2019 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1529 by Phat
01-21-2019 2:47 AM


Re: Mad At Childishness
Phat writes:
Many believers have a lot invested in their belief. For them, even if God did not exist it would be necessary to make One up.
Bingo.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1538 of 1677 (847339)
01-21-2019 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 1537 by Phat
01-21-2019 11:24 AM


Re: Mad At Childishness
Phat writes:
...and trash religion.
We trash religion like we trash junk mail. If it didn't keep coming to our door, we wouldn't need to trash it.
Phat writes:
Why do you think that *we* need God?
Why do you think that some of *us* need heroin?
Phat writes:
We have discussed before that He has an obligation to prevent any evil that He foreknows...but play devils advocate a minute and come up with a reason for Him not to intervene.
Suppose you see a small child about to be run over by a car. All you have to do is pull her out of the way, with no risk to yourself.
Now YOU play devil's advocate. Come up with a reason for YOU not to intervene.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1540 of 1677 (847341)
01-21-2019 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 1539 by Phat
01-21-2019 11:56 AM


Re: Mad At Childishness
Phat writes:
Because I can't simply magically direct people, objects, cars, and babies as if humanity were my puppets.
In the scenario, you can. It's just a simple grab and pull, no magic required.
Same for God. He CAN magically direct people, objects, cars, and babies as if humanity were His puppets.
Why wouldn't YOU act?
Phat writes:
Care to argue with me and sue me for negligence?
I definitely would.
Phat writes:
You must realize that simply saving every baby that wanders into dangers path is not my job.
Yes, it definitely is. You are your brother's keeper.
Phat writes:
For that, you need a genie.
No, you need a human.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1542 of 1677 (847343)
01-21-2019 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1541 by Phat
01-21-2019 12:24 PM


Re: Mad At Childishness
Phat writes:
On the one hand you are saying that only humans are needed.
No I'm not. I'm saying that humans are all there is - because God, if He exists at all, isn't doing anything.
Phat writes:
Jesus is Gods human component. And Jesus is not present bodily...unless you argue that we are His body. In which case, there is no magic involved at yanking every baby out of harm's way.
You're over-thinking. I said that YOU, in a situation in which you can save a human life with no risk to yourself, ARE obligated to act. That's as close to an absolute as you're ever likely to hear from me. It's baffling that you would even question the necessity for you to act.
And I'm asking, why would God have less responsibility?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1545 of 1677 (847346)
01-21-2019 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1543 by Phat
01-21-2019 12:32 PM


Re: Mad At Childishness
Phat writes:
Problem is, He expects us to do everything.
So what's He good for?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1546 of 1677 (847347)
01-21-2019 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1544 by Phat
01-21-2019 12:36 PM


Re: Mad At Childishness
Phat writes:
I'm just overwhelmed with the responsibility. It leaves little time for relaxation, fun, and recreation in my life. Why should I spend every waking moment working without pay for a Mob Boss who won't put His weight into the situation?
You're still overthinking. I asked you to do ONE thing that would take a minimum of time and involve no risk to you.
And remember that the whole scenario is an analogy for God. If YOU are obligated to do the right thing, why not God, who does supposedly have the power to do all things at all times for all men?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1562 of 1677 (847398)
01-22-2019 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 1561 by Faith
01-22-2019 10:40 AM


Faith writes:
...why should you think a person could change an established revelation from God to suit oneself?
Not to suit oneself, to suit reality. If the "established" revelation doesn't match reality, then the revelation has been misinterpreted.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1564 of 1677 (847403)
01-22-2019 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 1563 by Faith
01-22-2019 10:50 AM


Faith writes:
Well it's you who are defining the "reality"...
It's objective observation that defines reality.
Faith writes:
... if it disagrees with the church's established Confession of Faith which is a definition of reality also, then you don't belong in that church.
Each church can not have its own definition of reality.
Edited by ringo, : Fixed quote.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1566 of 1677 (847406)
01-22-2019 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 1565 by Faith
01-22-2019 11:07 AM


Faith writes:
It's you defining the "objective observation" and traditional Christians find your definition to be false.
They're wrong.
Faith writes:
You are free to disagree but you have to start your own denomination since you disagree with the traditional understanding.
On the contrary, any denomination can accept objective reality and reject superstition. Even your cult could do that. Christians and Muslims and Buddhists and atheists all accept objective reality.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1578 of 1677 (847471)
01-23-2019 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 1576 by Phat
01-23-2019 3:26 AM


Re: Demons and delusions
Phat writes:
Just know that Ive verified that nobody tricked me.
As far as I'm concerned, the ONLY indication that you were not pranked is the fact (according to you) that your friends didn't gloat about pranking you. Gloating is most of the fun of pranking.
Phat writes:
I dont really want demons to be real any more than anyone else does.
I think you really do. A big part of "needing" a Sky Daddy is needing an "enemy" for Him to protect you from.
Phat writes:
But reality often shows us things we don't want.
Or that things we DO want aren't there.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1580 of 1677 (847492)
01-23-2019 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1579 by Faith
01-23-2019 1:54 PM


Faith writes:
Did he lie about the blood red eyes?
There are other alternatives between lies and truth. For one thing, memory tends to embellish the story.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1586 of 1677 (847514)
01-23-2019 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 1584 by Phat
01-23-2019 2:32 PM


Re: Embellished Stories
Phat writes:
I don't expect to change your mind anytime soon....even if I had seen a UFO, I likely wouldn't change your approach to the truthfulness or lies within the story.
I have seen UFOs.
Phat writes:
Although you likely would say from the start that UFOs are fiction and thus so was my story.
No. The reality or fantasy of your story has nothing to do with the reality or fantasy of UFOs. However, the process of investigation is the same.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1589 of 1677 (847526)
01-23-2019 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1588 by Phat
01-23-2019 3:12 PM


Re: experience with demon-possessed man
Phat writes:
I remain adamant that what I experienced was and is definitely unexplained, however.
What bugs me is when somebody acknowledges that something is unexplained - and then they explain it. If you really thought your experience was unexplained, you wouldn't try to explain it with demons.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1592 of 1677 (847532)
01-23-2019 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1591 by Phat
01-23-2019 3:26 PM


Re: experience with demon-possessed man
Phat writes:
For a believer, explaining the possibility of demons is not treason.
For everybody, it's a contradiction of the word "unexplained".
Phat writes:
What bugs me is when someone explains to me why my conclusions are fictional and goes on to correct me based on their understanding of reality vs fantasy.
There is only one reality.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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