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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Chapter and verse?
Scripture says we can even control prophecy.... Faith writes:
There's a difference. Speaking in tongues is supposedly the Holy Spirit speaking directly, using a person's voice, in a language that that person doesn't understand. A prophet, on the other hand, is relaying a message in his own words in a language that he and everybody else understands. Two thoroughly different methods of communication, albeit with the same source. ... and prophecy is given by the Holy Spirit so you are wrong that we can't control His gifts.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Bingo. Many believers have a lot invested in their belief. For them, even if God did not exist it would be necessary to make One up.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
We trash religion like we trash junk mail. If it didn't keep coming to our door, we wouldn't need to trash it.
...and trash religion. Phat writes:
Why do you think that some of *us* need heroin?
Why do you think that *we* need God? Phat writes:
Suppose you see a small child about to be run over by a car. All you have to do is pull her out of the way, with no risk to yourself. We have discussed before that He has an obligation to prevent any evil that He foreknows...but play devils advocate a minute and come up with a reason for Him not to intervene. Now YOU play devil's advocate. Come up with a reason for YOU not to intervene.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
In the scenario, you can. It's just a simple grab and pull, no magic required. Because I can't simply magically direct people, objects, cars, and babies as if humanity were my puppets. Same for God. He CAN magically direct people, objects, cars, and babies as if humanity were His puppets. Why wouldn't YOU act?
Phat writes:
I definitely would.
Care to argue with me and sue me for negligence? Phat writes:
Yes, it definitely is. You are your brother's keeper.
You must realize that simply saving every baby that wanders into dangers path is not my job. Phat writes:
No, you need a human. For that, you need a genie.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
No I'm not. I'm saying that humans are all there is - because God, if He exists at all, isn't doing anything.
On the one hand you are saying that only humans are needed. Phat writes:
You're over-thinking. I said that YOU, in a situation in which you can save a human life with no risk to yourself, ARE obligated to act. That's as close to an absolute as you're ever likely to hear from me. It's baffling that you would even question the necessity for you to act. Jesus is Gods human component. And Jesus is not present bodily...unless you argue that we are His body. In which case, there is no magic involved at yanking every baby out of harm's way. And I'm asking, why would God have less responsibility?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
So what's He good for? Problem is, He expects us to do everything.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
You're still overthinking. I asked you to do ONE thing that would take a minimum of time and involve no risk to you. I'm just overwhelmed with the responsibility. It leaves little time for relaxation, fun, and recreation in my life. Why should I spend every waking moment working without pay for a Mob Boss who won't put His weight into the situation? And remember that the whole scenario is an analogy for God. If YOU are obligated to do the right thing, why not God, who does supposedly have the power to do all things at all times for all men?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Not to suit oneself, to suit reality. If the "established" revelation doesn't match reality, then the revelation has been misinterpreted. ...why should you think a person could change an established revelation from God to suit oneself?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
It's objective observation that defines reality.
Well it's you who are defining the "reality"... Faith writes:
Each church can not have its own definition of reality. ... if it disagrees with the church's established Confession of Faith which is a definition of reality also, then you don't belong in that church. Edited by ringo, : Fixed quote.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
They're wrong.
It's you defining the "objective observation" and traditional Christians find your definition to be false. Faith writes:
On the contrary, any denomination can accept objective reality and reject superstition. Even your cult could do that. Christians and Muslims and Buddhists and atheists all accept objective reality. You are free to disagree but you have to start your own denomination since you disagree with the traditional understanding.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
As far as I'm concerned, the ONLY indication that you were not pranked is the fact (according to you) that your friends didn't gloat about pranking you. Gloating is most of the fun of pranking.
Just know that Ive verified that nobody tricked me. Phat writes:
I think you really do. A big part of "needing" a Sky Daddy is needing an "enemy" for Him to protect you from.
I dont really want demons to be real any more than anyone else does. Phat writes:
Or that things we DO want aren't there. But reality often shows us things we don't want.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
There are other alternatives between lies and truth. For one thing, memory tends to embellish the story. Did he lie about the blood red eyes?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I have seen UFOs.
I don't expect to change your mind anytime soon....even if I had seen a UFO, I likely wouldn't change your approach to the truthfulness or lies within the story. Phat writes:
No. The reality or fantasy of your story has nothing to do with the reality or fantasy of UFOs. However, the process of investigation is the same. Although you likely would say from the start that UFOs are fiction and thus so was my story.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
What bugs me is when somebody acknowledges that something is unexplained - and then they explain it. If you really thought your experience was unexplained, you wouldn't try to explain it with demons. I remain adamant that what I experienced was and is definitely unexplained, however.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
For everybody, it's a contradiction of the word "unexplained".
For a believer, explaining the possibility of demons is not treason. Phat writes:
There is only one reality. What bugs me is when someone explains to me why my conclusions are fictional and goes on to correct me based on their understanding of reality vs fantasy.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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