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dwise1
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Message 541 of 544 (847364)
01-21-2019 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 539 by Percy
01-21-2019 2:55 PM


Re: Media silence on murders by illegals, and a couple of fake news reports too
But the evidence we do have says that illegal immigrants commit crimes at a lesser rate than Americans.

Maybe an analogy might start to get through to her (we can always dream, can't we?).

A stereotypical teenage infraction is/was to sneak into movie theaters to watch the movie for free. If they are caught, then they will be kicked out at the least and arrested or permanently banned at the worst. So if a person is in a theater illegally, he would be highly motivated to ensure that nobody notices him. The last thing that he would want to do would be to act in any manner that could draw attention to him, such as being loud and disruptive or picking fights. He would be highly motivated to act as the model movie viewer in every way.

Another analogy would be a real-life spy. The best cover for a spy would be a drab person, a nobody that nobody ever notices. Go in all flashy like Bond and you wouldn't last a day.

Similarly, if you're in a country illegally then you would want to avoid encounters with the authorities. You would not want to draw the attention of the police. You would follow the law and behave yourself all the time. You would even observe all traffic laws, especially the speed limits (hence driving slower than everybody else, a frequent irritant in Southern California -- we see it all the time).


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Message 542 of 544 (847365)
01-21-2019 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 539 by Percy
01-21-2019 2:55 PM


Re: Media silence on murders by illegals, and a couple of fake news reports too
Given that the story is still on the front pages of the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Chicago Tribune and the LA Times, the story has not died.

I can't help but feel that this is a problem. I haven't followed the details of this story so I don't know all the facts; but it appears to be a story about some children being mean to someone.

All this argument about whether the children really were mean or not seems to me to be missing the more important point - if this is a major story in serious, national newspapers; then you have a deeply dysfunctional press. Using longer words and more complex sentence structure to cover exactly the same sort of clickbait as a crappy, sensationalist shitrag does not make you a respectable newspaper.


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Message 543 of 544 (847409)
01-22-2019 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 537 by Phat
01-21-2019 2:41 PM


Re: Media silence on murders by illegals, and a couple of fake news reports too
Phat writes:

My advice for everyone? Listen to the other sides propaganda as well as your own.


Better yet, don't listen to propaganda at all. Two wrongs don't make a right. You won't find the truth by comparing two falsehoods.

Phat writes:

There also are not a certain group of broadcasters that have truth while the others are fake.


Yes there is. They're called "journalists".

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 544 of 544 (847418)
01-22-2019 1:19 PM


Trump's 'Compromise' Guts Asylum Laws

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Senator Mitch McConnell conveniently had an 1,100 page bill waiting after Donald Trump's Saturday announcement that he might deign to trade temporary DACA protections for permanent barriers at the border. It turns out there was more. There's always more

Holy jumpin' Jesus on a pogo stick! Has anyone ever proposed a more hateful or prima facie illegal bill?

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Here's how the "compromise" bill shreds our asylum laws:

1. Bans asylum for all Central American Minors (including those who come with parents!), unless the minor applies in their country.
2. Limits applications to 50k yearly and grants to 15k yearly.
3. Eliminates all review

And more! The DHS procedure for granting asylum would ALSO require a determination that granting asylum was "in the national interest," making asylum even HARDER



  
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