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Phat
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Message 211 of 305 (88457)
02-24-2004 7:34 PM
Reply to: Message 204 by nator
02-24-2004 11:09 AM


Do we even want God to exist?
One point that I will make:
schrafinator writes:
"Am I letting my desire for God to exist bias the way I interpret events?"
This brings up an interesting question. On the average, do people want God to exist by nature, Not want God to exist, or are neutral. I maintain, using scripture as my source, that the natural mind does NOT want God to exist, since it trumps our freedom of choice.
Rom 3:10-12=As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one."

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Phat
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Message 213 of 305 (88595)
02-25-2004 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 212 by Dan Carroll
02-25-2004 9:57 AM


Delusions of Grandeur
Dan, you remember my point about the two sources of wisdom? How to some it is the sum of human intellect. How to others, it is a divine source?
Dan Carroll writes:
I have made it clear, several times, that atheists and Christians do not have an equal possibility of being deluded. You have used quotes by me to suggest that I am saying we do.
And I am saying that your source, human wisdom, does not trump my source. Despite the fact that my source is not defineable by your standard, you cannot claim a greater probability of truth or wisdom.
I cannot claim it either, but my God can. Thus, between you and I, there is an equal probability of delusion. Our sources cancel each other out in this argument.

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Phat
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Message 216 of 305 (88605)
02-25-2004 12:09 PM
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02-25-2004 11:58 AM


Re: Delusions of Grandeur
Dan Carroll writes:
What we see is what we know is there. If someone is suggesting something other than what we see, they need to provide some sort of evidence that it is there. Otherwise we just fall back on what we can see.So let's see... lookin' around at what I see... lookin' around... no God.
Hmmm...
John 20:24-29= So the other disciples told him, "We have seen the Lord!" But he said to them, "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it." A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe." Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
Now Danny... Don't go dissing me for quoting my source!~

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Phat
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Message 218 of 305 (88610)
02-25-2004 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by Dan Carroll
02-25-2004 12:21 PM


Faith in Galactus
And speaking to you now as an American, I say that if Galactus has changed your life, you have a case for trumpeting his book! Viva la Free speech!

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Phat
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Message 227 of 305 (88743)
02-26-2004 5:57 AM
Reply to: Message 226 by Gilgamesh
02-25-2004 7:56 PM


Re: NDE's and Cultural Enlightenment
gilgamesh writes:
People statistically believe in a particular faith because of where they are born. If you were born in the Middle East, chances are you'd be a Muslim and be now arguing it's validity and be claiming that the majority of the world reject your religion.
Yes, religion is often a product of ones environment although there are exceptions, especially in Christianity.
Gods divine impartation is no respecter of persons or cultures.
gilgamesh writes:
And of course, some people have absolutely no experiences at all.
Ignorance CAN be bliss!

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Phat
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Message 230 of 305 (88808)
02-26-2004 10:45 AM
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02-26-2004 9:45 AM


Re: Do we even want God to exist?
Yes, you have a point. This is a deep concept. People do want proof of immortality and divine love. It is our own independant thinking that we do not want to give up, for we are afraid of being controlled.

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