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Rep. from Arachnopets
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Message 1 of 15 (95726)
03-29-2004 5:35 PM


I am brand new to this forum, so I just want to know certain things about the place. Based on your experiences, would you say that the majority of the people here are creationists or evolutionists?
I'm going to preemptively strike at the "why don't you just lurk around to find out" by saying that I could do that, but I am too lazy at this moment and have work to do before my class tonight to spend too much time wandering around in this place. This place is too hugh!
By the way, I've already registered as "Lam," but I haven't recieved an email telling me the password yet.

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Loudmouth
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Message 2 of 15 (95729)
03-29-2004 5:55 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Rep. from Arachnopets
03-29-2004 5:35 PM


This site is mostly evolutionists. Most of the creationists stick to the theology and bible threads and tend to stay away from the more scientific debates. From time to time we have the hit and run creationist. They tend to post 10 to 20 times a day until they realize that most of the people on this site are very familiar with the creationist arguments and science in general. Including myself, there are about 10 to 20 regular evolutionist posters in the science forums, and depending on the lunar cycle, about 1-2 creationists actively posting in the same threads.
If you are a creationists, don't feel intimidated. Our bark is worse than our bite. Just as long as you post logical and supported arguments, you have nothing to worry about. Welcome to our little corner of the internet.

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Rep. from Arachnopets
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Message 3 of 15 (95732)
03-29-2004 6:06 PM


The only reason I joined this site is to get rid of some of my frustrations toward the creationists back in Arachnopets. They would post their grossly misinformed details of evolution to try to prove the creationist side. Usually, they are shot down by about 3 regular posters there, including myself.
But no, I'm not a creationist at all. I have not heard a single valid argument to support creationism.

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Rep. from Arachnopets
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Message 4 of 15 (95733)
03-29-2004 6:07 PM


And yes, could one of the mods help me? I've been waiting for an hour and I still haven't gotten an email to tell me my password. My username is Lam.

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Loudmouth
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Message 5 of 15 (95735)
03-29-2004 6:09 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Rep. from Arachnopets
03-29-2004 6:06 PM


quote:
But no, I'm not a creationist at all. I have not heard a single valid argument to support creationism.
Arg. We were hoping for fresh meat.

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Message 6 of 15 (95736)
03-29-2004 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Rep. from Arachnopets
03-29-2004 6:07 PM


Welcome Lam,
While I don't have the power to fully check into this for you, I will make sure that Admin knows of your problem. Generally email password notification only takes minutes. You can also email him directly at Admin@
Control page does list you as a registered member.

AdminAsgara
Queen of the Universe

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Coragyps
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Message 7 of 15 (95743)
03-29-2004 6:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Rep. from Arachnopets
03-29-2004 5:35 PM


Spidery person, eh? I just read about one, very obviously not too intelligently designed:
The spider genus Tidarren (Araneae, Theridiidae) is interesting because, within several species presenting extreme sexual size dimorphism (males representing 1% of the total mass of the female), males voluntarily remove one of their two disproportionately large pedipalps (modified copulatory organs; a single one represents 10% of the body mass in an adult) before achieving sexual maturity. Whether the left or right pedipalp is removed appears to be random. Previous researchers have hypothesized that pedipalp removal might enhance locomotor performance, a prediction that has remained untested. We found that, for male Tidarren sisyphoides, maximum speed increased (44%) significantly and endurance increased (63%) significantly after pedipalp removal. Furthermore, spiders with one pedipalp moved 300% greater distances before exhaustion and had a higher survival after exertion than those with two pedipalps.

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Gary
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Message 8 of 15 (96519)
03-31-2004 11:11 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Coragyps
03-29-2004 6:58 PM


Interesting. Does it say anything about what happens if both pedipalps are removed?

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Message 9 of 15 (96527)
03-31-2004 11:51 PM
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03-31-2004 11:11 PM


It buys nike shoes?

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Andya Primanda
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Message 10 of 15 (96539)
04-01-2004 2:11 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Coragyps
03-29-2004 6:58 PM


Since we're talking arachnids... Anyone know the world authorities on whip-scorpions (Arachnida, Order Uropygi)? I just found out a colony of them in the exhaust sewer, and I'm trying to identify the species.

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Denesha
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Message 11 of 15 (96593)
04-01-2004 8:15 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Rep. from Arachnopets
03-29-2004 5:35 PM


Dear Lam,
Where is the link for your arachno website?
Have you attempted to understand the common fear for spiders?
Do you think that religion undelies it?
I love spiders, especially Salticidae.
Denesha

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Message 12 of 15 (96594)
04-01-2004 8:34 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Denesha
04-01-2004 8:15 AM


I think that "universal" phobias or fears, such as fear of big dogs, spiders, snakes, and heights make sense from an evolutionary standpoint.
Toddlers and small children who were REALLY afraid and avoidant of snakes and spiders were more likely to survive and grow up to pass on their genes than those who, lacking fear, reached out to touch the snake or spider.

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Denesha
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Message 13 of 15 (96595)
04-01-2004 8:43 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by nator
04-01-2004 8:34 AM


Yes indeed. It makes sense if spiders are all dangerous poisonous buggs. From my region I have 1400 species of spiders. Only 2 or 3 are potentially dangerous for human. Most of these huge species number are sized below 3 mm.
It takes from your reply that these fears could be linked to instinct but unlikely with education (and/or belief). You could be right. But I still find this fear so irrational that I think it is good to investigate another irrational field (supernatural).
Must be something there.
Denesha

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Gary
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Message 14 of 15 (96679)
04-01-2004 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Denesha
04-01-2004 8:15 AM


I think that religion can affect one's fears of certain animals. It can also be evolved, and people can be conditioned to be more or less afraid of these animals, especially spiders and snakes.
I've heard of certain animals that are naturally afraid of humans carrying sticks or other objects that look like spears. These species have probably been hunted extensively long ago, so they are predisposed to fear humans with spears. That would make sense from an evolutionary standpoint.

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Message 15 of 15 (96709)
04-01-2004 6:24 PM


Closing down, recommend a new topic
The current line of discussion seems too good to be lost in a vaguely defined "Welcome, Visitors!" topic. I'm going to close it down.
I encourage someone to start a new, more specific topic, probably best in the "Evolution" forum (Go either to an "Evolution" topic, or to the "Evolution" index page, to get it started in the right place).
Added by edit - Recommend a link back to this topic, also.
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