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Denesha
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Message 1 of 6 (92884)
03-17-2004 4:50 AM


Hi there,
(Message from a Paleontology student)
I'm too young in this forum to catch all the enclosed discussion subtleties.
My choice is to throw small messages in a bottle, and wait someone to reply.
From this forum, but in another topic, I had recently confirmation that I have nothing related with creationism in my investigation methods.
Evolutionists base their investigation on assumption of potential truth and conversely, creationists theories are based on false certainty. Both are necessary in the mutual research of potential truth. This is a philosophic problem, strongly conditioned by education.
If there were no more creationism though, I'm convinced that evolutionism will derive and loose gradually he's integrity.
I can assess my idea. Here (Western Europe) we have 2000 years of "decent" history.
Across Atlantic, there are not more than 200 years.
I believe that mot of the new creationists have evident memory problems. To avoid being partial in my argument, I suggest that they googlize the word inquisition and choose any
webpages they want. Inquisition was one of the worse ideologic derive of a monopolistic evolutionarism rejection based system. Opposition thought ("false" doctrines) were eliminate, people persecuted, burned alive ect.
The aim of my speech is to underscore the common importance of these two opposite ideologies, both necessary joined, affecting and interacting, likely as an auto-regulated system. This is what I proposed the term of mutualism to qualify this association.
What do you think?
Denesha.

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Gary
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Message 2 of 6 (93065)
03-18-2004 1:19 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Denesha
03-17-2004 4:50 AM


Welcome to the forum!
I don't think that there is a mutualistic relationship between evolution and Creationism. If people stopped believing in Creationism, I think that Evolution would become more prevalent, rather than declining. For example, people once thought that the Earth was the center of the universe. Galileo (not to discount the work of other astronomers) proved otherwise, and the Catholic Church excommunicated him because he would not retract his statements. Now that few people still believe in geocentrism, astronomy has flourished and much has been learned about the universe and we now possess the heliocentric belief that the sun is the center of the solar system. Had there been a mutualistic relationship between heliocentrism and geocentrism, heliocentrism would have declined.

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Denesha
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Message 3 of 6 (93077)
03-18-2004 2:14 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Gary
03-18-2004 1:19 AM


Dear Gary,
Thank you for your pertinent comment. I'm much more aware on fossils than on planet systems framework. According to what I see, in only two days, I learned that I'm neither a creationist nor a geocentrist. My conclusion is that this forum is a useful public place and I will still continue asking some "silly" question here and here for a while.
Member's answers seem intelligent and constructive as expected for my level.
Sincerely,
Denesha

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Denesha
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Message 4 of 6 (93279)
03-19-2004 3:36 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Denesha
03-18-2004 2:14 AM


one step ahead!
Just another hypothesis. Could we consider a parallelism between the real world symbiosis coevolution and the human opposite ideologies in query of the truth?
I still hand on my previous idea of necessary mutualism. But I'm not astonished for the low reply of this topic. The title is not very attractive.
Denesha

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BobAliceEve
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Message 5 of 6 (97657)
04-04-2004 10:15 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Denesha
03-17-2004 4:50 AM


Inquisition
Hi Denesha,
First, thanks for forgiving me for mis-spelling your name in an earlier post.
As you know, I think some creationist's thought is illogical. The same goes for some evolutionist's thought. However, I agree that they are both useful. The unchecked power of evil men (and women) in high places will always lead to corruption - which will lead to inquisitions, et. al.
it is unfortunate that this great evil apparently came from the Catholic church. It was not the church that caused the problem but the men that got control of it and took cover in it. Now, we must live with the daily reminder that "religion" once taught that the earth was the center of the solar system. I do not object to this, Gary, since it is history. In fact, I think it is a good reminder to watch out for men unchecked who take on the cover of "evolutionism". The American founders wanted to be sure government and religion did not combine against the people. We, today, must be sure that promoters of evolution and government do not combine against the people, as well.
I think that the title of your thread is inviting. I do want to make it clear that I do not see individuals as enemies - and I do see them as brothers (and sisters).
Very best wishes,
Bob, Alice, and Eve

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Denesha
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Message 6 of 6 (97684)
04-04-2004 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by BobAliceEve
04-04-2004 10:15 AM


two steps ahead.
Dear BAE,
Thank you for this clarification. Honestly, we are skeaking about the same thing. I still don't understand why so much energy is wasted by Creationists knowing that they are not fully supported by moderate Christians as you seem to be. I presume that you are aware of some friction points in the scientific community? But is this last case, my perception is flawed because of position. Deeper you subdivise a human community, the opposit duality is always present under various forms.
I would delight having some discusions in such honest context. I don't give up. I will add a few comments soon.
Also, I apologize for the use of some words. Nothing perverse in it, just a lack in foreign language vocabulary. I'm never sure of the tricky double sense of some words. Prefer classic and "flat" sentences.
Have a nice day BAE.
Denesha

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