Is Hovind going to hell?

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Originally posted by redstang281:
God see's what we do in life, there is not a place to hide a sin from him.

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Does that answer your question, or did i misunderstand?

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This means God punishes us in life, but there are plenty of crooks that are very wealthy, live to good ages, so, how did God punish them?------------------
Occam's razor is not for shaving with.

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Originally posted by mark24:
This means God punishes us in life, but there are plenty of crooks that are very wealthy, live to good ages, so, how did God punish them?

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Good question. Although, your question assumes rewards are the same to everyone. Many people such as myself value other things in life higher than money, lifespan, etc.. Things such as love, friendship, and quality of life just to name a few. As to how a hypothetical criminal is punished may only be known to that criminal and God. Possibly living in fear of the police his whole life, being forced to wear a disguise everyday... and probably numerous other sacrifices have to be accounted for to compensate for his wrong doings. I think that is exactly what the 10 commandments and other Biblical laws are exactly about preventing.

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Originally posted by redstang281:
Come to think of it. The only thing I remember him saying in his video's was about dna or chromo count?

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Do you know what tape he address this on? I'll check it and find out for sure what he said. I checked the link on that website but it was a broken link.

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"Well, now, hold it. If you want to just pick one item and that's supposed to prove relationship, did you know that human Cytochrom [sic] C is closest to a sunflower? So really the sunflowers are our closest relative folks. It depends what you want to compare. If you want to compare the eyes, we are closest to an octopus. Not a chimpanzee. Pick something. What do you want to compare? Human blood specific gravity is closest to a rabbit or a pig. Human milk is closest to a donkey. It depends on what you want to compare. Pick something. If there were not some similarities between us and other animals we could only eat each other. So God designed all animals from the code so we could eat other plants and animals and digest them. Not proof for evolution. It's proof of a common Designer! "Is the only transcript I have, not sure what tape, or even if it is on a tape.Also, chimp eyes are closer to ours than an octopus, on an anotomical basis alone. Our retinas are "back to front", compared to an octopus eye. The optic nerve emerges from the "wrong" front side, it has to delve through the retina to get to the back of the eye. This point has no rods or cones, & is why we have a blind spot. Another lie. Thats at least two in one paragraph, way to go, Kent!Mark------------------
Occam's razor is not for shaving with.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by redstang281:
[b] Yes, Jesus is God. With accepting Jesus you can be forgiven. In otherwords man can not stop sinning, that is impossible. But by accepting Jesus you can have your sins cleaned because with God all things are possible.

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"For ALL have Sinned and fall short of the Glory of God."
Romans 3:23

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"The wages of Sin is Death"
Romans 6:23

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"For there are none who are righteous.. no, not one"
Romans 3:10

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"I will expose your righteousness and your works, and they will not benefit you"
Isaiah 57:12

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"For it is by Grace that you have been Saved, through Faith - and Not from yourselves. It is a gift from God - Not earned by works, so that no one can boast"
Ephesians 2:8-9

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"When we confess our sins...God is Faithful and Just to forgive us of our sins and cleanse us of ALL unrighteousness"
1 John 1:9

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[/QUOTE]That's all well and good, Redstang - but Jesus clearly said that with God, ALL things are possible (including, presumably, not sinning. At all. He told the woman caught in adultery to "go, and sin no more." Would he tell her to do something that's impossible?And regarding your other point - no, i doubt you CAN support it from scripture. If you can, I'd very much like to see it.

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Originally posted by joz:
I bring your attention to the section which reads...

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"To bear false witness, against one's neighbor is a vice which includes lying...."

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Given that Hovind has had the falacy of his arguments demonstrated time and time again, and given that he still uses them surely he is either:

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a)Lying when he uses the arguments that he knows to be erronous...

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Or:

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b)Lying when he calls himself an expert in the field (given that he can`t understand that he is wrong he hardly deserves the accolade "expert")....

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If so someone tell him to stop, on the off chance that creationists are right I don`t want to spend eternity in hell listening to his drivell......

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Now that's the fun with the Bible. You can interprete it the way you like. No one really supports the idea that if you have committed at least one sin, you'll go to hell, since everyone has committed at least one sin. You can take the entire Bible literally or not, or just parts of it. Some say the Adam and Eve fairytale actually happened, but the flood story didn't. Others think it's the other way around.You can do with the Bible as you like. As long as you say you support it you seem to be okay. But surely, there must be only one truth. If there was a perfect God, he couldn't support conflicting ideas on how to interpret the Bible. But Christians still seem to not mind all those numerous interpretations; they do not regard it as an important question what is the only correct way of life. Maybe because they somewhere, deep in their neglected rational section of the mind, know that it doesn't really matter how you choose to live since there is no God to send you to hell.

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Originally posted by KingPenguin:
of course you might end up spending it with a million queers, eminem, pauly shore and numerous annoying people.

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I get to spend eternity with a lot of queers?GREAT! They know how to have a good time.You will get to spend eternity with a lot of moaning, hairshirt-wearing, self-flaggelating, sexually-repressed Bores with low self-esteem.

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Originally posted by schrafinator:
I get to spend eternity with a lot of queers?

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GREAT! They know how to have a good time.

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You will get to spend eternity with a lot of moaning, hairshirt-wearing, self-flaggelating, sexually-repressed Bores with low self-esteem.

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Hey Schraf, on the plus side you get to spend it with me, Joz, & good ol' Jack Daniels. On the negative side, the entire staff of AiG are gonna be there Mark------------------
Occam's razor is not for shaving with.

Joz, I do not know the detail context of this thread but if it is the same HOVIND I saw on TBN, who was debating with H. Ross, then there is not need for Hovind to apologize. He is quipped becasue out of teaching in high school, he realized that the students had questions he could not answer and it was not because he "had all the answers" but because the science was a little flippant itself. I could not even get any one to answer my high school question at Cornell how does one COUNT a collection of organisms. So imagine when it come to disscusion gentics applied to biological change and all manners of biometry are involved that it would have to be accepted (the account, I mean) apriori or on authority but people like Ross and I would imagine whom ever was talking with Hovid would do the same for a desgin argument used before all the requirements came in. This has been an error on both sides of the tissue. The issue against this man must be unfounded. I have reduced the whole creation evolution tissue issued to that of the whether or not cappilary action explains venom motion in lizards but not snakes. This is why contra to taxocomers discussion of creation/evolution some resolution of this possible hypothesis is possible but becasue the PARTICIPANTS span the universe of topics the resources beyond simply debating are not put to settlement as would have occured if this was a tortable offense. In my case, sadly it is. I do not want to make eventually a class action of it for now it appears I will have to be using theplead the 5th more than the power we all people, the place it but not the utility stopped.