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nator Member (Idle past 2192 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
In message #240 is the "Only if Mom says so" thread, NemJuggs claims:
quote: My reply, in Message #278 of that thread (with some slight editing) is below:
Name some "wacko" pro-choice activists or organizations you would consider "dangerous". Like, name some that have carried out bombings of churches or the offices of some anti-abortion group, or maybe killed some prominent anti-abortion activists, or published their likenesses, home addresses and phone numbers on the internet with "WANTED" above their pictures. Maybe you can show us some images of screaming picketers outside a church, or Christian adoption agency, demanding that the pregnant women going in not give their baby up for adoption but get an abortion instead. You know, like your side has. I think it is abundantly clear that the anti-abortion people have the corner on the violent, criminal extremists. I hear this claim from conservatives a lot; that when it is pointed out to them how many violent, hate-mongering, radical, and obviously irrational people there seem to be withing the conservative community, they say "Oh well, there's just as many wacko people on the liberal side." I don't think that's true. At all. This thread is intended to let conservatives document the liberal equivalents of conservatives who, say, threaten or murder abortion doctors, or picket women's health clinics, or beat up or kill gay people, or break bottles over their heads and send themselves death threats to make it look like they were attacked and threatened and then blame it on liberals, etc.
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obvious Child Member (Idle past 4138 days) Posts: 661 Joined: |
Earth Liberation Front. That's a liberal terrorist group.
Still, the point is obvious. Liberals, compared to 'conservatives' and that term should usually be denoted as Religious Conservatives, as libertarians are conservative in fiscal senses, but not often in religious aspects, commit or plan to commit far less violent crimes. Bin Laden is a example of a religious extremist and he planned a operation that killed almost 3,000 people.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Earth Liberation Front. That's a liberal terrorist group. Huh? I know that the U.S. government defined terrorism for the specific purpose of including groups like the ELF, but are you really going to fall for it? I mean, do you really want to elevate something as mundane as vandalism to the level of terrorism? It has become fashionable on the left and in Western Europe to compare the Bush administration to the Nazis. The comparison is not without some superficial merit. In both cases the government is run by a small gang of snickering, stupid thugs whose vision of paradise is full of explosions and beautifully designed prisons. -- Matt Taibbi
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obvious Child Member (Idle past 4138 days) Posts: 661 Joined: |
Vandalism? The amount of damage they do is immense per person and they have been known to commit arson when the owners of the properties are there, often at night.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Only in a thoroughly capitalist country could property damage be considered the equivalent to shooting health care providers or blowing up school buses full of children.
- Oops. Sorry, nator. I see that the thread is intended to talk about alleged anti-prolife terrorism. I'll let oC have the last word; I myself won't say another word. Edited by Chiroptera, : abortion -> prolife; sorry, too much eggnog, I'm pretty bagged tonight. It has become fashionable on the left and in Western Europe to compare the Bush administration to the Nazis. The comparison is not without some superficial merit. In both cases the government is run by a small gang of snickering, stupid thugs whose vision of paradise is full of explosions and beautifully designed prisons. -- Matt Taibbi
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3985 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
obvious Child writes: Vandalism? The amount of damage they do is immense per person and they have been known to commit arson when the owners of the properties are there, often at night. Bullshit. Name the people killed or injured by ELF. Name the people put at risk of harm by ELF. Real things always push back. -William James Save lives! Click here!Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC! ---------------------------------------
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Jon Inactive Member |
Everything in moderation; no extreme is safe.
Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
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Taz Member (Idle past 3313 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Do nazis count?
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anglagard Member (Idle past 859 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
This thread is intended to let conservatives document the liberal equivalents of conservatives who, say, threaten or murder abortion doctors, or picket women's health clinics, or beat up or kill gay people, or break bottles over their heads and send themselves death threats to make it look like they were attacked and threatened and then blame it on liberals, etc. OK, from what I am reading I understand that the discussion should be related solely to the violence or threat of violence relative to each side of the issue concerning abortion and/or sexual orientation. Am I correct in this assumption? Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza
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obvious Child Member (Idle past 4138 days) Posts: 661 Joined: |
So the destruction of millions of dollars of property, grand arson and general violation of basic property rights is acceptable?
We should just excuse the use of pipe bombs and other explosives? Are you sure you want to go there? And the ELF had made statements regarding certain areas warning people to stay away. Obviously their plans are going to cause damage. If we can call Muslims who blow stuff up and happen to kill people at the same time terrorists, why can't we do the same for the ELF? Edited by obvious Child, : No reason given.
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EighteenDelta Inactive Member |
Haven't the ELF admitted to supporting 'spiking' trees?
http://www.post-gazette.com/forum/20020412edeco12p2.asp
Unfortunately, the debate about the construction of a proposed highway running along the southern shore of Lake Erie has been obscured by mindless acts of vandalism that could result in the death or injury of workers trying to cut down trees.
The ALF is another candidate for 'liberal terrorist groups'
Despite the severely destructive nature of some of these activities, none of the extremist animal rights-related activities analyzed for this report is known to have resulted in the injury or death of another individual. [15: In February 1990 Dr. Hyram Kitchen, Dean of the Veterinary School of the University of Tennessee, was shot and killed on his private farm. One month before the incident, a local police department issued an alert through the FBI's National Crime Information Center that various sources, including mail received by the University of Tennessee, indicated that animal rights extremists had threatened to assassinate a veterinary dean within the following 12 months. No one was ever arrested for the act and there was no claim of responsibility. Some suspect that ALF or another extremist animal rights, group or individual was responsible. It must be emphasized, however, that this suspicion has never been substantiated.] In addition, it is important to note that, unlike in Canada and the United Kingdom, there have been no major incidents involving product tampering or contamination hoaxes claimed by or attributed to animal rights extremists. And, finally, there is no evidence to indicate that firearms were used during the course of any of the documented incidents in the United States. These aren't pro-choice extremists, they are eco-terrorists and Animal rights activists. -x Edited by EighteenDelta, : final statement
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obvious Child Member (Idle past 4138 days) Posts: 661 Joined: |
quote: True, but the notion that liberals don't use terrorism is simply wrong.
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obvious Child Member (Idle past 4138 days) Posts: 661 Joined: |
quote: When has a conservative in the US blown up a school bus full of kids?Notice I'm not disagreeing that religious conservatives are outright nuts in their actions, just that the idea that liberalism excludes terrorism is wrong. The ELF has done massive property damage, including serious ecological damage as well from their many arson sprees. Plus, the ELF as noted before has put the lives of construction workers at serious risk. Again, notice I haven't said that the ELF = Abortion Clinic bombers, just that both sides of the spectrum aren't absolutely against using terrorism.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Jon writes:
quote: But that's just it: Where are the extremists on the side of those who feel that abortion should be legal? When was the last time you heard of the members of Operation Rescue being shot at by abortion rights activists? That's a lovely sentiment, but you're propagating the idea that somehow there are "extremists on both sides." Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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nator Member (Idle past 2192 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Never heard of them. Are they a large group?
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