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wnope
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Message 1 of 304 (210498)
05-23-2005 3:10 AM


No matter if the world existed for 6,0000 or 10,000 years, there is no way humanity could have survived. Why?
Meteors. We've found too many big ones for humanity to have lived so long. Here's a few excluding the one that supposedly killed the Dinosaurs:
The Permian-Triassic event was 185 million years before the Dinosaur-coment (however far back that may be in YEC time). More info here or here
Along with this comet, Scientists are finding that there is evidence for up to perhaps up to 5 mass-extinction comets . These five are even post dinosaur extinction comets.
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Message 2 of 304 (210505)
05-23-2005 3:59 AM
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05-23-2005 3:10 AM


No matter if the world existed for 6,0000 or 10,000 years, there is no way humanity could have survived. Why?
Quick glance at the link suggests the evidence isn't all that hard and fast, but I'd suggest that maybe a lot of comet activity occurred along with the -- ta da!!! -- Great Flood, when the point WAS to kill off all humanity except 8 souls and the same with all the animals. Seems possible enough that at least that many/few could survive such an event or even many such events, especially in a water-soaked world that would absorb a lot of the impact.
Just a thought.
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Message 3 of 304 (210510)
05-23-2005 4:51 AM
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Faith,
Comets won't leave the same isotopic evidence as metorites, they are dirty snowballs.
Mark

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Message 4 of 304 (210520)
05-23-2005 7:09 AM
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05-23-2005 3:10 AM


Whoop! There it is!
Are you studying science, wnope? When do you think that evidence shows the last potential big hit meteor as occurring?

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Message 5 of 304 (210554)
05-23-2005 11:11 AM


A list of some of the known Impact Craters.
There is a database of impact craters that can be found Here. It includes data about each as well a photos of many of them.

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Message 6 of 304 (210556)
05-23-2005 11:22 AM
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05-23-2005 3:59 AM


Faith writes:
...maybe a lot of comet activity occurred along with the -- ta da!!! -- Great Flood...
Bearing in mind that the Bible makes absolutely no mention of anything happening during the Great Flood except -- ta da!!! -- a flood.
Here again, the Bible does not disagree with the scientific evidence, unless you make up stuff.

People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.

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Message 7 of 304 (210583)
05-23-2005 1:09 PM
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05-23-2005 3:59 AM


Not 6000 years, 4000.
Wouldn't the impact evidence have to happened after the flood if a young earth were a fact? It seems to me that the deluge that dug the Grand Canyon and all the other things it supposedly did would have erased any impact evidence from the previous 2000 or so years since creation.

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Message 8 of 304 (210587)
05-23-2005 1:26 PM
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05-23-2005 3:59 AM


All in one year?
So you suggest that all of the impacts occured in one year?
Well, they did not. So they are not flood events. Now you have 100's of massive impacts occuring in recorded history.

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Message 9 of 304 (210589)
05-23-2005 1:29 PM
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05-23-2005 4:51 AM


Sorry, comets, meteors, meteorites, it was late and I was tired, but any and all wouldn't have had the enormous impact supposed in the first post if they occurred in conjunction with the Flood. A simple thought, that's all.

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Message 10 of 304 (210596)
05-23-2005 1:40 PM
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05-23-2005 1:29 PM


Faith,
But as you have learned, there is no evidence of a global flood whatsoever, & the strata that the bolides struck in are associated with mass extinctions. So it looks like they did have an enormous impact (pun unintended) after all.
Mark

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Message 11 of 304 (210597)
05-23-2005 1:44 PM
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05-23-2005 11:22 AM


Bearing in mind that the Bible makes absolutely no mention of anything happening during the Great Flood except -- ta da!!! -- a flood.
God doesn't tell us EVERYTHING.
The flood was a pretty dramatic event that would have changed many things on the earth, beneath the oceans and in the "firmament." Most likely included intense volcanic activity. Could have included bombardment by "heavenly" objects.
Jar's link to lists of craters made by such heavenly intruders is very interesting. I looked for some that might have landed in the vicinity of Noah and family's landing place. There are a few in Kazakhstan, which is roughly in the neighborhood, and one in Ukraine and a couple or three in Libya and Chad, but none mentioned in the Middle East proper, none in Turkey, none really close enough to have been noted by Noah and clan.
So, it's POSSIBLE they occurred during the flood or even some period afterward, impacting still rather wet earth, and nobody would know about it who was living at the time.

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Message 12 of 304 (210600)
05-23-2005 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Faith
05-23-2005 1:29 PM


Ok, all in one year
Sorry, comets, meteors, meteorites, it was late and I was tired, but any and all wouldn't have had the enormous impact supposed in the first post if they occurred in conjunction with the Flood. A simple thought, that's all.
Give a moments thought to what would happen if all the recorded (and I would suggest that we have less than 10 % of them recorded) happpened in one year.
The Chixilub is not the biggest! It is 'only' 170 km across.
There are over 70 that are greater the 10kms in diameter.
Any you think that the flood waters would minimize the impacts? LOL ! LOL!
The water, even kilometers of it, may as well not be there. These things vaporize holes in the rock that are kms deep!
Then of course, you have the many, many more that are only the size of meteor creator in Arizona. A baby, a rock only about 150 feet across; but you would have 1,000's of them in your one year. This "baby" hit with the force of 1,000 hiroshimas. hitting water all that energy produces a fair amount of steam and some really nasty winds.

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Message 13 of 304 (210601)
05-23-2005 1:48 PM
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05-23-2005 1:40 PM


But as you have learned, there is no evidence of a global flood whatsoever,
Not at all. I've learned that this is believed but not that it is true. It is a matter of interpretation, not fact. All such notions about the flood are interpretation of data, not direct fact.
So is the idea that they are "associated with mass extinctions" an interpretation of data, not fact in itself.

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Message 14 of 304 (210603)
05-23-2005 1:50 PM
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05-23-2005 1:44 PM


Not close?
Your "not close" Kazakhstan impact is 14 kms across. How close do you want to be to the site where an impactor that makes a hole of that size comes in?
I think you had better stop guessing when you intuition isn't primed to handle the magnitude of these events.

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mark24
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Message 15 of 304 (210604)
05-23-2005 1:50 PM
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05-23-2005 1:48 PM


Faith,
So please present your evidence of a global flood, collect you Nobel Prize on the way out.
Data supports "interpretations", or it doesn't. The flood model is contradicted on any & every level you care to mention. The standard scientific model has the advantage of no contradicting data & a much supporting it. This is just weaselwording so that you don't have to accept the weight of evidence because it is "interpretation".
Mark
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