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dbs944
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Message 1 of 61 (472075)
06-20-2008 9:01 AM


Seems to me the pyramids pose a problem when considering the flood.
If they were built before the flood, there would be much evidence inside the structures. The great pressure of several thousand feet of water would force water through any little crack or seam, into the structure and when the flood waters receded, would remain there for many many years, if not forever, as there'd be no pressure to force the water back out. Certainly there'd be 'bathtub rings' plainly visible even today.
If they were built shortly after the flood, who would have done the building? There are over a hundred pyramids throughout Egypt, each requiring thousands of man-years to complete. Even if Noah and family reproduced like bunnies, and they all moved to Egypt and worked only on building pyramids, they couldn't have gotten the job done within certainly a very many centuries.
So which is it?
Before the flood with no evidence that the insides were ever wet;
or after the flood, when there was no labor to complete the task.
Just curious as to a 'logical' answer.

The Bible has to be true - no one could make all that up.

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Message 2 of 61 (472077)
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Message 3 of 61 (472080)
06-20-2008 9:13 AM
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dbs944 writes:
If they were built shortly after the flood, who would have done the building? There are over a hundred pyramids throughout Egypt, each requiring thousands of man-years to complete. Even if Noah and family reproduced like bunnies, and they all moved to Egypt and worked only on building pyramids, they couldn't have gotten the job done within certainly a very many centuries.
And to further complicate things, how could they be in Egypt when they were all here, building large stone circles? In fact, Stonehenge was built in three stages, one pre-flood, one during the flood and one after.
It's a mystery, indeed.

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Larni
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Message 4 of 61 (472082)
06-20-2008 9:15 AM
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06-20-2008 9:01 AM


The obvious answer is that there was no flood.
The flood supporting arguement is that a god (Enil, Yaweh etc) did it with magic that did not leave a trace anywhere.
Edited by Larni, : Alternate ending. Story boad. Theatircal trailor. Interactive menu (how can interactive menu be an extra?)

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Message 5 of 61 (472090)
06-20-2008 10:51 AM
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06-20-2008 9:15 AM


The flood supporting arguement is that a god (Enil, Yaweh etc) did it with magic that did not leave a trace anywhere.
That's cheating.
They like to point to all the "evidence" they conjure up to physically justify the flood and the Biblical timeline. I'd like a non-magical explanation for either no evidence of flooded pyramids or where the workforce came from for post-flood construction.
Or, I would like them to fully admit that magic is the only explanation and that there is no possibility of ANY evidence proving them wrong, regardless of how compelling the evidence is.

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Message 6 of 61 (472092)
06-20-2008 11:10 AM
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06-20-2008 9:01 AM


Age of the pyramids
From Wiki:
Pyramid / Pharaoh Reign
Djozer -- c. 2630 - 2612 bce
Sneferu -- c. 2612 - 2589 bce
Sneferu -- c. 2612 - 2589 bce
Sneferu -- c. 2612 - 2589 bce
Khufu -- c. 2589 - 2566 bce
Djedefre -- c. 2566 - 2558 bce
Khafre -- c. 2558 - 2532 bce
Menkaure -- c. 2532 - 2504 bce
Sahure -- c. 2487 - 2477 bce
Neferirkare Kakai -- c. 2477 - 2467 bce
Nyuserre Ini -- c. 2416 - 2392 bce
All of these pyramids were constructed prior to the most commonly ascribed date for the global flood (2350 BC/ 4350 BP).
Further, the earliest construction at Stonehenge was prior to the flood and shows no flood damage.
And there are a lot of other lines of evidence. For example: Mitochondrial DNA on the west coast shows continuity among Native American lineages from before the flood to modern times.
Conclusion from all of this: no flood 4,350 years ago.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 7 of 61 (472125)
06-20-2008 2:45 PM
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06-20-2008 10:51 AM


There is no other answer the fundy can give you, I'm afraid. It will always boil down to 'magic'.
Welcome to evc.

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Message 8 of 61 (472138)
06-20-2008 3:33 PM
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06-20-2008 2:45 PM


There is no other answer the fundy can give you, I'm afraid. It will always boil down to 'magic'.
I threw the question out hoping that a Flood believer would explain how the Flood could be taught - and believed - when there is something so fundamentally (no pun intended) wrong. And logically wrong. No hocus pocus. No mysterious DNA or geologic columns. No 'rocket surgery' involved. Good old plain common sense physical evidence.
Could someone believe that a stone structure, set without morter, be watertight enough to seal thousands of feet of water depth? If not watertight, why is there no water damage inside. If they were watertight, how did they seal it? - or somehow a small family could build a hundred pyramids while doing wonderous things elsewhere in the world.
Wishful thinking I suppose.

The Bible has to be true - no one could make all that up.

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Message 9 of 61 (472151)
06-20-2008 5:30 PM
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06-20-2008 3:33 PM


The thing is that the god of the gaps is getting less and less powerful with every inch of progress we make.
The defence often is that science is infact wrong to rule out a supernatural cause.
Now, you and I would perhaps scoff at such a notion but there are a great many people who still believe tha magic is real.
Go figure.

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Message 10 of 61 (472154)
06-20-2008 6:14 PM
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06-20-2008 9:01 AM


Simple hydrostatics is the answer.
Why do you ignore the obvious? The pyramids simply floated. Stones were much less dense in those days and only reached their current density with the accumulated crushing weight of all our sins. Next question.
Edited by AnswersInGenitals, : Because the voices told me to.

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Message 11 of 61 (472155)
06-20-2008 6:22 PM
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06-20-2008 6:14 PM


Re: Simple hydrostatics is the answer.
Dude, how can that make sense?
Rocks don't have souls; it's not like they are shoes or boots.
It has to have been magic. Anything else is just crazy talk.

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dbs944
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Message 12 of 61 (472156)
06-20-2008 6:26 PM
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06-20-2008 6:14 PM


Re: Simple hydrostatics is the answer.
Why do you ignore the obvious? The pyramids simply floated. Stones were much less dense in those days and only reached their current density with the accumulated crushing weight of all our sins. Next question.
Well thank you - I now understand in complete confidence. It is so plain now that you explain it. I predict a tithe in my future.
you ARE the poster

The Bible has to be true - no one could make all that up.

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Message 13 of 61 (472160)
06-20-2008 7:01 PM
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06-20-2008 6:26 PM


Re: Simple hydrostatics is the answer.
The thing is mate that you won't get an answer that makes any sense unless you are a fully paid up fundy and the fundy answers colapse(spell?) like a house of cards.

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Message 14 of 61 (472164)
06-20-2008 7:55 PM
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06-20-2008 11:10 AM


Flood and time immunity
Coyote writes:
Further, the earliest construction at Stonehenge was prior to the flood and shows no flood damage.
Our oldest known house/fixed residence was found last year. As befits things on a magical island, it predates creation by 3,000 years, and the flood by 5,000. There's no flood damage, either.
Magical flood immune house
{ABE}I've just realised that this house would have pre-dated a real flood. The time given for the melting back of the ice caps to approximately where they are now is usually given as 8 to 9,000 years ago, so the dating of this house (easy - the residents left lots of nutshells) at 9,600 years means it was on high ground at a time when Britain was still very much joined to the mainland. The residents could have walked in a straight line to what's now Holland or Denmark.
There would have been many sudden floods as sea levels rose, like when the English Channel first formed, perhaps, and what about the breaching of the straits of Gibraltar and the Bosporus?
Edited by bluegenes, : Afterthought.

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Message 15 of 61 (472197)
06-20-2008 10:59 PM
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06-20-2008 9:01 AM


Please point to me where it says in the bible that everyone that came after the flood were descendants of Noah. I just read the whole chapter again and I couldn't find anywhere where it says that. God told Noah and his family members to "be fruitful and multiply".
Look, God created Adam and Eve from dirt. I don't see any reason why God couldn't have created other people after the flood. Just like every history book, the bible couldn't have recorded EVERY event and EVERY person.

I'm trying to see things your way, but I can't put my head that far up my ass.

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