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Calypsis4
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Message 1 of 112 (529514)
10-09-2009 5:26 PM


During the orbit of the moon by Gemini 8 during December, 1968, Stanly Kubrick and Arthur C. Clarke unveiled 2001, A Space Odyssey. This science fiction story was of man's first encounter with extra-terretrials.

From the opening scene and throughout the movie the viewers were treated with panoramic views of space. But I noticed that in each instance where the earth and/or Jupiter lined up perfectly with the sun or moons there was a major development in man's 'evolution' and man was given the ability to take the next step in his progress.

It is clear to the careful observer that timing was a very important matter in man's evolutinary growth, development, and understanding.

From the ape-like ancestor man supposedly came from..

...to the end where the hero of the story encounters the perfect alignment of Jupiter with five of its moons & the mysterious monolith there is a major change in man with each experience. The final encounter results in a miraculous transformation of the hero into something that Clarke suggests in his novel, a being powerful enough to change the world. All in time with what the highly evolved pure energy extraterrestrials had planned with precision timing.

I watched this movie at the theater with a friend who happened to be agnostic. As we left the theater I told him, "I think I get it. The power in the monolith was God." He only nodded and replied, "Interesting that you would say that." Of course I no longer hold to that interpretation of the movie.

Well, that's science fiction. This is reality.

The near alignment of Jupiter with some of its moons, resulting in the eclipse of Jupiters moon Europa being eclipsed by Io.

So the readers won't have to wait any longer on my point, it is my contention that all events and occurrences happen according to a perfect timing by the providence of Almighty God. In other words, from an eternal point of view, there are no 'accidents'. I intend to give some rather stunning examples of that.

1. In approx. 1440 B.C. the Hebrews of Isreal were commanded to take a lamb for each family, slay it and place its blood upon the doors of their homes. This was to be done on the 14th day of the month Nisan (April).

2. Later, the high priest of Isreal was likewise commanded to slay a lamb, this time a Ram, by putting his hand upon the head of the animal and stabbing it in the heart. The blood of the animal was to be brought before the Mercy Seat in the tabernacle. Each day of atonement (Nisan 14th) this was done for centuries. But the Jews never understood why it had to be done this way, at least not until the first century.

3. In approx. 535 B.C. Daniel the prophet was informed by the Spirit of God that exactly 483 yrs. after the command of Artaxerxes to rebuild Jerusalem the Messiah would be killed: 'cut off' ("...shall Messiah be cut off; which word signifies cutting off, or cutting down, as a tree). That date was approx. 450-444 B.C. but the month is exact: Nisan.

4. Joel told us 800 yrs B.C. that the day of the Lord would be accompanied by (a) a darkening of the sun and (b) a lunar eclipse (2:31) Most of us who believe this prophecy think that there is a double fulfillment involved here; both in the past and the future.

5. So: not only was the promised one (called the 'lamb of God') killed as prophesied it was done on the 14th of Nisan (April 3) A.D. 33, exactly 483 yrs to the day that the prophets said he would be killed.

What about the darkening of the sun? What happened on that fateful day?

Not only did the followers of Christ record that the world went dark that day...

Quote: "Phlegon Trallianus records in his history, Olympiades (41):

'In the fourth year of the 202nd Olympiad [AD 32-33], a failure of the Sun took place greater than any previously known, and night came on at the sixth hour of the day [noon], so that stars actually appeared in the sky; and a great earthquake took place in Bithynia and overthrew the greater part of Niceaea,' obviously not a simple astronomical event." Attorney Steve Larson in bethlehem.com.

Also, Quote: "Julius Africanus mentions Phlegon's report of the darkness, and also a similar report of the darkness by Thallus, who wrote his History circa 50-100 AD. Thallus' manuscripts have not survived, but Africanus perserves some of his writing by critiquing it. Specifically, Africanus faults Thallus for stating that the darkness was the result of a solar eclipse.

"On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun." See, John Chapman, Phlegon Examined Critically and Impartially (Cambridge University Press, London, 1734)

Matthew tells us that at the hour of Christs death, "and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent." 27:51.

But even more astonishing than all of this is the fact that on that day there was a lunar eclipse, which if one could hypothetically view the scene from the lunar surface looking back at the earth/sun then one could potentially view the constellation Aires (the Ram!) in the bacground...with the dark of the eclipse in the very heart of that Ram.

Check out the time of the lunar eclipses according to NASA:


http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/LEhistory/LEhistory.html

A lunar eclipse on April 3, A.D. 33, the day Jesus Christ died on the cross. Perfect timing by the God who ordained it all.


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Message 2 of 112 (529518)
10-09-2009 5:35 PM


Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Thread copied here from the The moons, eclipses, and timing thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.

This has been placed in "Free for All". There will be little to no moderation here. There isn't really anywhere else for such material.

This is also a warning to those who might want to discuss this with you. They are probably wasting their time.

Edited by AdminNosy, : No reason given.


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Briterican
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Message 3 of 112 (529527)
10-09-2009 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Calypsis4
10-09-2009 5:26 PM


I'll waste a little time
Seeing as how I'm a newbee in every sense of the word here, I'll waste a little time.

As usual, nice presentation.

From the NASA link regarding an eclipse at the time of the death of Augustus:

"The Moon in the midst of a clear sky became suddenly eclipsed; the soldiers who were ignorant of the cause took this for an omen referring to their present adventures: to their labors they compared the eclipse of the planet, and prophesied 'that if to the distressed goodness should be restored her wonted brightness and splendor, equally successful would be the issue of their struggle.' Hence they made a loud noise, by ringing upon brazen metal, and by blowing trumpets and cornets; as she appeared brighter or darker they exulted or lamented"
- Tacitus

We are no longer the "soldiers ignorant of the cause" of eclipses. We know exactly what happens that results in their ocurrence. You would seem, however, to want to continue in the 21st century to take this as some kind of omen, of Almighty God reminding us of his ever present stewardship.

If this story of the "eclipse at the heart of the Ram" is meant to be your first "stunning example" of why it is your contention "that all events and occurrences happen according to a perfect timing by the providence of Almighty God", I would only point out that upon looking at the constellation of Aries (a series of unrelated, unconnected stars at vastly varying distances from our solar system) I am not immediately struck with the thought "Hey, a Ram!" - and thus even if I found any of the events leading up to it to be of divine origin, I still don't see any sort of smoking gun here like you do.

Regarding the notion that an eclipse at the moment of crucifixion reveals "Perfect timing by the God who ordained it all" - do you mean to imply that when your God set the universe in motion he arranged the orbits so that an eclipse would occur at that precise moment, or that he influenced the orbit at the last minute?

Edited by Briterican, : I never get it right the first time.


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Message 4 of 112 (529530)
10-09-2009 6:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Calypsis4
10-09-2009 5:26 PM


So the readers won't have to wait any longer on my point, it is my contention that all events and occurrences happen according to a perfect timing by the providence of Almighty God. In other words, from an eternal point of view, there are no 'accidents'.

Cool. I don't though... now what?

I would like to point out that those are some nice pictures, thanks for that. Other than that, I don't know what you want to discuss. Seems like a position you hold based on incredulity. Not much we can say to that.

A lunar eclipse on April 3, A.D. 33, the day Jesus Christ died on the cross. Perfect timing by the God who ordained it all.

Yeah, I'm sure Jesus appreciated the sentiment. A glass of water may have been better, maybe some sunglasses, perhaps sun-block...I don't know. I didn't get that far into that mythology book. How does it end?

Btw, we're in the Free-For-All thread, no mods, so lets have fun.

- Oni


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Message 5 of 112 (529534)
10-09-2009 6:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Calypsis4
10-09-2009 5:26 PM


Does it trouble you not at all that lunar and solar eclipses must be separated by a minimum of two weeks, that none of the solar eclipses around 30 CE were anywhere near Palestine, or that solar eclipses cannot result in "On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness?"

I thought not.

added by edit: are you aware, too, that lunar eclipses aren't visible in the daytime? (Well, in the arctic and antarctic, I guess - but not from Jerusalem.)

Edited by Coragyps, : No reason given.

Edited by Coragyps, : No reason given.


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Message 6 of 112 (529547)
10-09-2009 6:15 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by onifre
10-09-2009 6:01 PM


Spoiler
Hi Oni,

I didn't get that far into that mythology book. How does it end?

Does this help?

Mutate and Survive

Edited by Granny Magda, : No reason given.


"A curious aspect of the theory of evolution is that everybody thinks he understands it." - Jacques Monod
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Calypsis4
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Message 7 of 112 (529548)
10-09-2009 6:17 PM
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10-09-2009 5:35 PM


Re: Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
This is also a warning to those who might want to discuss this with you. They are probably wasting their time

'Wasting their time'? Well, we sure know where you stand, don't we Mr. administrator?


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Briterican
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Message 8 of 112 (529549)
10-09-2009 6:17 PM
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10-09-2009 6:01 PM


Free for all
onifre wrote:
Btw, we're in the Free-For-All thread, no mods, so lets have fun.

Speaking of which I wanted to apologise somewhere ... anywhere for a post of mine on another thread getting zapped for "Snarking". Adiminnneoususouous wiped the post because it just had a silly picture and added nothing to the discussion, and I don't blame him in the least. He warned me to behave and I shall heed that warning, as so far I feel like a grade school kid amongst a bunch of college students hehe. Guess I just thought I was being funny, but was actually being a twit hehe.

Anyway, got that off my chest (in this unmoderated corner). Thank you

and back to the topic...


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Briterican
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Message 9 of 112 (529550)
10-09-2009 6:19 PM
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Re: Spoiler
Granny Magda said:
Does this help? Jesus dies on page 681.

Man, I didn't notice the spoiler warning in time. Crap. I'm just gonna put this down now. No point in finishing it. Maybe I'll just watch the film instead.

Edited by Briterican, : No reason given.


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Calypsis4
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Message 10 of 112 (529552)
10-09-2009 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Coragyps
10-09-2009 6:07 PM


Does it trouble you not at all that lunar and solar eclipses must be separated by a minimum of two weeks

You don't read carefully, do you?

I never said that there was both a solar AND lunar eclipse on the day of Christ's death. What I said (& what the biblical account says) is that there was a strange 'darkness' that day.

But the truth is that you just don't care.


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Message 11 of 112 (529554)
10-09-2009 6:20 PM
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10-09-2009 5:26 PM


Amazing!
I also notice that there was a total eclipse of the moon on 27 September 14 CE, corresponding with the death of the emperor Augustus. 27 September is also my ex-wife's birthday, exactly 1959 years later, and my girlfriend's birthday is - wait for it - in 1959, and if you add up all the numbers in the day of Augustus's death - 27+9+14 - you get 50, which is how old my girlfriend is this year.

Coincidence? I think not.


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Calypsis4
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Message 12 of 112 (529556)
10-09-2009 6:22 PM
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10-09-2009 6:17 PM


Re: Free for all
Adiminnneoususouous wiped the post because it just had a silly picture and added nothing to the discussion, and I don't blame him in the least. He warned me to behave and I shall heed that warning, as so far I feel like a grade school kid amongst a bunch of college students hehe. Guess I just thought I was being funny, but was actually being a twit hehe.

That attitude is precisely why I don't dignify you with an answer.

Just thought I would remind you.

Bye.


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Calypsis4
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Message 13 of 112 (529558)
10-09-2009 6:24 PM
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10-09-2009 6:20 PM


Re: Amazing!
I also notice that there was a total eclipse of the moon on 27 September 14 CE, corresponding with the death of the emperor Augustus. 27 September is also my ex-wife's birthday, exactly 1959 years later, and my girlfriend's birthday is - wait for it - in 1959, and if you add up all the numbers in the day of Augustus's death - 27+9+14 - you get 50, which is how old my girlfriend is this year.

And where in history was the date Augustus death prophesied by the prophets? Name it?

Fool.


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Message 14 of 112 (529559)
10-09-2009 6:24 PM


WHY??
Why are you feeding this troll?
No good can come of it. All you will do is make him feel justified in his stupidity and ignorance.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Briterican
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Message 15 of 112 (529560)
10-09-2009 6:26 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Calypsis4
10-09-2009 6:22 PM


Re: Free for all
Calypsis4 said:
That attitude is precisely why I don't dignify you with an answer.

What attitude? The attitude I demonstrated just now when I apologised for getting a bit silly in another thread after having recognised my error?

My response in a regular thread (which this topic didn't warrant) would be "I'm sorry if you feel I am so undignified that you don't wish to address my posts. I did tell you that I felt your presentation was nice, and I did ask you a specific question that was very on topic at the end of my post."

But since it is a free-for-all thread, I think I shall respond by saying:

You make me sad. Briterican sad. Briterican no like silly moon-god man no more.


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