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MrHambre Member (Idle past 1418 days) Posts: 1495 From: Framingham, MA, USA Joined: |
The God-of-the-Gaps (hereafter GOTG) philosophy is one that disputes the scientific claim that naturalistic explanations suffice for all natural phenomena. Given the difficulty in defining non-natural explanations, as well as the lack of an outline of the methodology necessary to utilize them, GOTG employs a two-pronged tactic against naturalism. This consists of searching for an area in which naturalistic explanations are the most tentative, then redefining that tentativity as a priori proof of naturalism’s insufficiency. If the supposed gap itself is filled by evidence from further research into the phenomenon, we may be excused for thinking this refutes the philosophical basis of GOTG itself. However, the adherents of the philosphy deny this, and merely move on to the next gap.
In 1992, a research biochemist from Lehigh University published a manifesto in an attempt to discredit what he considered Darwinist dogma. In a paper entitled Experimental Support for Regarding Functional Classes of Proteins to be Highly Isolated from Each Other, Michael Behe drew the battle lines thus: I will use the term "believer" for those who believe in the universal application of natural law and the term "skeptic" for those who doubt it. Throughout this paper (also delivered at a symposium on natural law), Behe derided the believer in the sufficiency of natural law, as if such a person has nothing more than conjecture to support his belief. Though Behe sided with those ‘skeptics’ that contend that natural laws have at some points been superseded by a supernatural agency, at no point in his presentation did he provide an example of such miraculous intervention. All he did was point out the gaps in naturalistic knowledge and leave the reader to draw his intended conclusion. For this alone it would have been a failure for Behe and his God-of-the-Gaps science. Unfortunately for Behe, his attack on evolutionary dogmatism picked a gap that would soon be filled. In 1992, the Zeuglodon fossil was the sole link between land and sea mammals, and it was Behe’s opinion that this fossil was not much different than a modern whale. Behe (a biochemist, remember, not a paleontologist) claimed, Finally, and most glaringly obvious, if random evolution is true there must have been a large number of transitional forms between the mesonychid and the ancient whale: Where are they? In the following two years, Hans Thewissen answered this question by unearthing numerous fossils of six different families of Eocene cetaceans. Note that Behe did not claim that the gap exists due to a definable weakness in naturalistic methodology. In fact, he derived the validity of his conclusion from the gap itself. This is central to the notion of GOTG, and the reason it is essentially anti-scientific. The definition of naturalism’s insufficiency is irrelevant. The gap itself is enough to support the inference of supernatural agency. The gap's being filled does not falsify GOTG methodology, it merely means that another gap must be sought out to validate the inference. Behe made sure he would not be caught out again so easily, and stuck to his chosen discipline for his next GOTG manifesto. Darwin’s Black Box has been discussed so widely and exhaustively that there’s no need to detail its claims against the Darwinian orthodoxy again. As a primer on GOTG, however, it is exemplary. Knowing that the evolution of an organ such as the eye is no longer widely debated, Behe chose instead to debate the biochemistry of vision itself. Knowing full well that such biochemical wonders as the hemoglobin molecule are fine examples of molecular evolution, he searched exhaustively for ‘molecular machines’ whose evolutionary pathways were still highly speculative, like the bacterial flagellum. Most notably, he used the notion of ‘irreducible complexity’ as the lynchpin for his GOTG argument. However, as I’ve noted, the reasoning behind any GOTG argument is irrelevant. One merely argues that naturalism cannot account for phenomena displaying attribute a, and that is taken as given by the GOTG adherents. The problem is that we’re never told what it is about attribute a that immediately distinguishes it from any other attribute we could use as an argument against the sufficiency of natural processes. Paley used the intricate workings of nature as evidence of supernatural design. Behe uses irreducible complexity, and his Discovery Institute cohort Dembski uses complex specified information. It’s clear that providing naturalistic explanations for the evolution of attribute a would not falsify the notion of GOTG, only the validity of using attribute a for the argument itself. It remains to be seen why naturalism is insufficient in explaining natural phenomena, or whether Behe and the intelligent design creationists are capable of providing the explanation so sorely lacking in naturalistic methodology. The dark nursery of evolution is very dark indeed. Brad McFall
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 8.4 |
I normally hate to post empty, drooling fanboy posts but in this case I cannot stop myself.
Wooo! Wooo! Great post, Mr. Hambre!
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Mammuthus Member (Idle past 6500 days) Posts: 3085 From: Munich, Germany Joined: |
I second the drooling accolades...now to get the squeegie to clean my monitor.
I think the reluctance of the ID community to actually attempt to state a testable hypothesis of ID is quite telling. They clothe typical religious creationism and nay saying with pseudo-scientific jargon, hoist a Ph.D. in biochemistry on the stage and think they have actually made progress.
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Loudmouth Inactive Member |
Very well written and thought out Mr Hambre. I was wondering how you would classify Evolution of the Gaps (EOTG). That is, we assume evolution through random mutation and natural selection to be the natural mechanism that results in the biodiversity seen in the fossil record and in extant species. Is that assumption warranted as compared to GOTG? Is it the ability/inability to falsify through experimentation that differentiates the two? Are naturalists assuming too much, or is the evidence at hand enough to infer evolution rather than supernatural design?
I already have my opinions on the above, but would be curious on how you tackle these questions. You seem powerful in the Prose, young Jedi.
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MrHambre Member (Idle past 1418 days) Posts: 1495 From: Framingham, MA, USA Joined: |
Valid points, Loudmouth.
Science has discovered material mechanisms to explain such natural phenomena as the weather, heredity, and disease, all previously considered the result of divine influence. Intelligent agency, on the other hand, has never explained any natural phenomenon. If anything should be the default mode, naturalism should. There are those here who accept that evolution by natural selection is the source of life's complexity, and that DNA is the key to heredity, but that the 'information content' of DNA is the attribute A that will resist naturalism's attempts to account for its origin. I'm a betting man, and naturalism is a sure bet. This is why I scoff when Behe claims that only 'believers' would claim that natural law is sufficient explanation for natural phenomena. If he could point to any instance of divine interruption of natural law, his case would be much stronger. As it is, he merely chooses to point to instances where naturalistic explanations are highly speculative, and define those as evidence against naturalism itself. The lesson to be learned every time a gap is filled is that GOTG is not a valid methodology. What Behe and the intelligent design creationists derive from their failures is that they have to search harder for the next gap. The dark nursery of evolution is very dark indeed. Brad McFall
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
I've touched upon this elsewhere (God the tweeker and/or God the improviser), but I'll bring it up again.
Can science say that God didn't do a little genetic engineering or artificial selection, to influence the path of evolution? Might the random mutations have been a little less random than we think? Might the natural selection have been a little less natural than we think? Quoting MrHambre (discussing the thoughts of Kenneth Miller) from elsewhere:
quote: The "Miller doesn't think evolution is God's way of creating" is probably true, but I repeat, can science say that God didn't do a little genetic engineering or artificial selection, to influence the path of evolution? Moose
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9003 From: Canada Joined: |
...can science say that God didn't do a little genetic engineering or artificial selection, to influence the path of evolution?
Absolutely and definitively? No, I don't think so. As you say there may be places to hide a God in the quantum mechanical behavior at the lowest level. I guess that is the ultimate GOTTTG. God of the teeny, tiny gaps. Common sense isn't
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
I'm not trying to invoke any sort of "God of the gaps".
What I am talking, is that at certain key points in evolutionary history, where the random "choice" of "left or right" or "yes or no" was possible, might God have exerted some undetectable influence on the direction taken? I say "Could be, but we have no way of knowing". Moose
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Maybe, in the same subtle way he selects lottery winners that have the appearance of complete random chance.
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
quote: Dude, that wasn't God. That was me. What? There's just as much reason to assume I did it as there is to assume it was God. At least I can point at me and tell you what I am. "It isn't faith that makes good science, it's curiosity." -Professor Barnhard, The Day the Earth Stood Still
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
Chiroptera said:
quote: You know that God never decided to give some lucky stiff a big break? Dan said:
quote: I am not assuming, nor did I ever assume that God did influence the pathway of evolution. You both are taking the hard line that God didn't exert his influence, at all, on the pathway of evolution. You say you know this is true. How do you know? All I am saying, is even if God had indeed exerted his influence, we would not be able to distinguish it from a "no God involved" evolution. Moose
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9003 From: Canada Joined: |
I agree, we have no way of knowing.
Common sense isn't
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Mammuthus Member (Idle past 6500 days) Posts: 3085 From: Munich, Germany Joined: |
quote: Except what is the point? If I can show experimentally that reverse transcriptase can generate a cDNA from an RNA template you can still say that God is still responsible. However, I can demonstrate that reverse transcriptase is responsible and how it works. You could never explain nor demonstrate that God had intervened. Thus, why should I even consider God's involvement? Science does not and should not validate or attempt to disprove the existence of the supernatural.
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MrHambre Member (Idle past 1418 days) Posts: 1495 From: Framingham, MA, USA Joined: |
This is my position as well. I don't think there's any benefit for believers to pin their hopes on putting God into the equation. Whether the naturalistic explanation proves adequate or not, that's not a basis for mature faith. If someone still wants to believe that God controls the weather, that's up to them. The only point I was trying to make is that science is only after natural, mechanistic explanations and is presumably incapable of detecting the presence or absence of anything divine or non-natural.
Chiroptera brought up a good point. If God really does control the lottery, why does it seem undirected? And how much non-randomness would we accept as a sign of divine intervention? I recall seeing a woman on Letterman years ago who had won a state lottery three times in a row. I don't think anyone claimed it was a divine interruption of natural law. (Maybe the Discovery Institute would be interested in her case?) Would she have to win the lottery every day she played for us to be convinced? The dark nursery of evolution is very dark indeed. Brad McFall
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Mammuthus Member (Idle past 6500 days) Posts: 3085 From: Munich, Germany Joined: |
quote: It makes it all the more amazing that so many people of supposed mature "faith" feel it necessary to attempt to dress up their religion with pseudoscience in order to give it some kind of credibility. I don't consult the local Rabbi or priest anytime I have an experimental result in order to "feel" like I have religious credibility. Fretwell is an almost unbelieveable extreme (I still can't get over the farts as evidence of demons). But even milder forms of arguement from supposed authority (i.e. Behe) are used to pronounce that a personal belief has now has passed the muster scientifically. It does niether justice to the person's faith and certainly not to science when this happens. But it does outline that a vast majority of people really have no concept or even much interest in what science is or how it works and are merely content to passively benefit from the labors of those who go to the trouble to find out. The only activity those with no interest in science seem to participate in is to criticize science and scientists for not validating their religious beliefs. Faith must be very weak among creationists.
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