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galerouth
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Message 1 of 43 (652124)
02-12-2012 3:31 PM


from Modulous (AdminModulous):

"Hi Gale,
You've posted this about a bajillion times to different websites over the past couple of weeks (I haven't checked them all, but your name seems to be coming up a lot).
EvC won't be visibly hosting it. Fear not, many of the numerous blogs, news commentary sections and forums that you have posted this to will keep it up for you and I'm only hiding it - it will be visible to the genuinely curious.
We'd be happy if you decide to stick around and contribute to the ongoing discussion here, but your scattergun approach to posting this piece doesn't give me much hope for that prospect.

my response:

The point of forum is to express ideas, and i thought this forum was to express scientific ideas with regardless to theology... thus, my thread "Is the human fetus a parasite according to symbiosis ?" was about info proving that the bible supported abortion, the law supports abortion, and the human fetus is a parasite according SYMBIOSIS-- being as crude, crass and unapologetic as it IS was suppose to start a DEBATE of why society romanticize pregnancy and the LIES of the religious to keep this ideology alive with all the anti-choice legislation lately.

but it needs time to get there.

BY LOOKING AT THE ATHEISTS VIDEOS FROM THUNDERF00T AND ARONNRA THAT I LISTED WAS SUPPOSE TO FOSTER MORE DEBATES ABOUT THE JUDEO-CHRISITAN GOD IS REAL OR NOT.

but instead of, waiting to I got back to the forum to explain why i created this thread in first place... you pulled a "a typical fundamentalist christian card" closed the thread as a form of censorship, just like the nazis.

if you went to my other threads of different " more popular" forums, like http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?p=13626811
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/

you would see me debating with people, but i can't spend all day on forums... i have life and a job!

not ONE person posted science, law nor the bible to debunk the info inside the " Is the human fetus a parasite according to symbiosis?" wrong...NOT ONE!

so does this deserved censorship because some "butthurt" can't prove it wrong?

THE BIBLE:
the bible supported abortion, that was done by a priest, in god's name, in his holly temple!
the 1984 NIV footnote of numbers 5:11-31 explained what "to thy thigh to rot, they belly to swell" meant: numbers 5:21 "or causes you to have a miscarrying womb and barrenness" to CAUSE a miscarrying womb IS an abortion.

'Ephraim, as I saw Tyre, is planted in a pleasant place; but Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer." Give them, O LORD -- what wilt Thou give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts...Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit; yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.'

HOSEA 9-16

the judeo-christian god is a myth and historical evidence proves it.
3.3.3 ATHEISM: A HISTORY OF GOD (Part 1) Evid3nc3
2nd Foundational Falsehood of Creationism-AronRa
Why do people laugh at creationists? (part 36)- Thunderf00t
Why do people laugh at creationists? (part 29)
Why do people laugh at creationists? (part 28)

http://www.evilbible.com/god
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/says_about/abortion.html

THIS IS THE LAW:
ABORTION IS A CIVIL AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT SUPPORTED BY THE RIGHTS TO PRIVACY, THE EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE OF THE 14TH AMENDMENT, AND THE 13TH AMENDMENT.

NO HUMAN ( that means the FETUS, too) has a right to life or any due process rights by the 14th amendment to use another human's body or body parts AGAINST their will, civil and constitutional rights: that's why you are not forced to donate your kidney---the human fetus is no exception; this is supported by the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment AND 13th amendment, which makes reproductive slavery unconstitutional.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause

"Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/...to_the_United_States_Constitution

this makes viability unconstitutional because pregnancy is not a crime.

consensual sex=/= a legal, binding contract to an unwanted fetus to live; and abortion is not murder, the unlawful killing with intent.

THIS IS SCIENCE:
FETUS IS NOT A BABY (GOOGLE THE HUMAN DEVELOPMENT CHART), but a parasite because the classification of the biological relationship that is based on the behavior one organism (fetus) and how it relates to the woman's body:

as a zygote, it invaded the woman's uterus using its TROPHOBLAST cells, hijacked her immune system by using NEUROKININ B and HCG--- so her body doesn't kill it, steals her nutrients to survive, and causes her harm or potential death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophoblast

"The placenta functions as an immunological barrier between the mother and the fetus, creating an immunologically privileged site. For this purpose, it uses several mechanisms:
It secretes Neurokinin B containing phosphocholine molecules. This is the same mechanism used by parasitic nematodes to avoid detection by the immune system of their host.[2]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immune_tolerance_in_pregnancy

" Due to its highly-negative charge, hCG may repel the immune cells of the mother, protecting the fetus during the first trimester. It has also been hypothesized that hCG may be a placental link for the development of local maternal immunotolerance."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_chorionic_gonadotropin

"It is also possible for a symbiotic relationship to exist between two organisms of the same species."
http://www.answers.com/topic/symbiosis -- Gale's Science of Everyday Things.

just like a parasitic twin --- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitic_twin

"an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it"
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/parasite

pregnancy CAUSES HARM: http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm

THE FETUS DOESN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO FEEL PAIN --WHEN MOST ABORTIONS OCCUR.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/...-pain-uk-report-says-no.html

what do you guys think?


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subbie
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Message 2 of 43 (652125)
02-12-2012 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by galerouth
02-12-2012 3:31 PM


Dennis? Is that you?

Edited by subbie, : Add a funny piccy.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist


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galerouth
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Message 3 of 43 (652126)
02-12-2012 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by subbie
02-12-2012 3:33 PM


NO

did dennis had a point that no one could prove wrong but her was censored for it, too?


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Message 4 of 43 (652127)
02-12-2012 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by galerouth
02-12-2012 3:36 PM


He sure thought so, much as you seem to. But at least he had some funny pictures.

Do you have any funny pictures?


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist


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galerouth
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Message 5 of 43 (652129)
02-12-2012 3:50 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by subbie
02-12-2012 3:38 PM


no, i don't have pictures, but scientific evidence that no one has yet to debunk-- nor its sources on those wiki pages, or the verses that i get from the 1984 NIV bible.

do you want to try debunk it, or you just like showing how you cute can be?


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Message 6 of 43 (652130)
02-12-2012 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by galerouth
02-12-2012 3:36 PM


galerouth writes:

did dennis had a point that no one could prove wrong but her was censored for it, too?

If you're going to visit this planet, you could at least learn the language.


"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Message 7 of 43 (652132)
02-12-2012 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by galerouth
02-12-2012 3:50 PM


Before I could debunk it, I'd have to decipher it, and I'm not particularly willing to wade through your links, grammatical errors, nonstandard capitalization, blocks of CAPSLOCKed text and frequently unparsable sentence structure.

In addition, to the extent that I can suss out your point, you seem to be against restrictions on the right to abortion. So am I. Thus, it's unlikely that I'd want to debunk what you say. If I were inclined to spend any time on your "prose," it would probably be to poke fun at how you say something, rather than what you say. As it is, it's beginning to feel like I've already spent about as much time doing that in this post as I want to. However, I may well peek into the thread now and again, as long as it stays open, just in case you come up with any more gems that I might find irresistible.

Oh, and in case you decide to add some funny pictures. If you need some inspiration in that regard, try googling squirrel and water skiiing.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist


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galerouth
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Message 8 of 43 (652134)
02-12-2012 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Omnivorous
02-12-2012 4:03 PM


thanks for exposing my typos.
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Message 9 of 43 (652135)
02-12-2012 4:13 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by galerouth
02-12-2012 4:09 PM


Not to be pedantic, (well, yeah, I guess it is being pedantic, but so what?), he didn't expose your typos. You exposed them yourself when you hit "Submit Reply." He merely pointed them out.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist


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Message 10 of 43 (652136)
02-12-2012 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by subbie
02-12-2012 4:06 PM


thanks, subbie.

i doubt that "your links, grammatical errors, nonstandard capitalization, blocks of CAPSLOCKed text and frequently unparsable sentence structure."..

could actually stop you from reading the post and proving the sources that i used wrong.... i smell a cop-out!

i suggest you look at pictures of kittens to make yourself feel better.


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Message 11 of 43 (652137)
02-12-2012 4:21 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by galerouth
02-12-2012 4:14 PM


Has it occurred to you that only those who disagree with your position would spend time debunking it and your sources? To be honest, after reading your post the first time, I struggled to work out what point you were trying to make.
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Message 12 of 43 (652138)
02-12-2012 4:28 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by galerouth
02-12-2012 3:31 PM


For starters, you need to refresh yourself on the forum guidelines, as you've disrupted a number of them:

Forum Guidelines writes:

    3. When introducing a new topic, please keep the message narrowly focused. Do not include more than a few points.

    5. Bare links with no supporting discussion should be avoided. Make the argument in your own words and use links as supporting references.

    6. Avoid lengthy cut-n-pastes. Introduce the point in your own words and provide a link to your source as a reference. If your source is not on-line you may contact the Site Administrator to have it made available on-line.

Secondly, no one is under any obligation to offer any rebuttal to the myriad of links you have provided. Perhaps if you stick to one of those arguments at a time, some of us may well be up for it.


"There is no refutation of Darwinian evolution in existence. If a refutation ever were to come about, it would come from a scientist, and not an idiot." -Dawkins

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Message 13 of 43 (652140)
02-12-2012 4:31 PM


It isn't the subject, it's the style.
If you truly care about the subject, don't copypaste links, but try to write down a coherent story on the spot, and maybe post some sources at the end of the message, if you really must.

Abortion debate is a topic that is often debated here, so it truly isn't censoring that is the problem. It's just that it's hard to make sense out of a link pile without ANY direction of the point you're trying to make.


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Message 14 of 43 (652142)
02-12-2012 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by galerouth
02-12-2012 4:14 PM


i doubt that "your links, grammatical errors, nonstandard capitalization, blocks of CAPSLOCKed text and frequently unparsable sentence structure."..

could actually stop you from reading the post and proving the sources that i used wrong....

I doubt that, too. That's why I said I didn't want to take the time to decipher rather than saying I couldn't decipher it.

i smell a cop-out!

Perhaps you need to spend more time on personal hygiene and less time raving like the village idiot on every forum board on the internet. But that's between you and whatever female relative in whose basement you currently reside.

i suggest you look at pictures of kittens to make yourself feel better.

Pictures of kittens bore me, but thanks for the thought. It's nice to know someone cares.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist


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galerouth
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Message 15 of 43 (652145)
02-12-2012 4:39 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by hooah212002
02-12-2012 4:28 PM


1. topic: censorship
2. under the 3 categories, proved links to PROVE my point.
3. not a scientist, and i'm suppose to be objective; and under my first thread-- i asked "what do you guys think?"
4. no said you had to offer a cop-out.

thanks.


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