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Eliyahu
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Message 1 of 87 (703750)
07-29-2013 3:57 AM


Bs'd

Christianity claims there is one God. So does Judaism and Islam. So no need to prove that point.

However, where the ways split, is in how many is that one God Himself.

Christianity claims that that one God is three, made up of three different persons, the trinity concept.

Judaism claims that that one God IS ONE, and not two, not three, not three in one, but ONE.

And then of course, the question arises, "What Biblical proof can the parties present in order to substantiate their claim?"

Christianity cannot bring any proof from the Bible that God is a trinity. It just doesn't exist.

Here is the proof that God is one:

"Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4

"Listen, Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is One" Holman Christian Standard Bible

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one." English Standard Version

"Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!" New American Standard Bible

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one." New International Version

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one!" New King James Version"

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"And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, "Which commandment is the first of all?" Jesus answered, "The first is, `Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, THE LORD IS ONE; and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' The second is this, `You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these." And the scribe said to him, "You are right, Teacher; you have truly said that HE IS ONE, and there is no other but he; and to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the strength, and to love one's neighbor as oneself, is much more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices." And when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, he said to him, "You are not far from the kingdom of God."" Mark 12:28-34 Revised Standard Version

The most important one, answered Jesus, is this: Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one." .... "You are right in saying that God is one" New International Version

"Here is the most important one. Moses said, 'Israel, listen to me. The Lord is our God. The Lord is one." .... "You are right in saying that God is one." New International Readers Version

"Jesus answered: Listen, Israel! The Lord our God, The Lord is One." .... "You have correctly said that He is One," Holman Christian Standard Bible

"Jesus answered, The first is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God, the Lord is one:" .... "thou hast well said that he is one;" American Standard Version

"Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is: Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one." New King James Version

"Jesus answered, "The most important is, 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one" .... "You have truly said that he is one," English Standard Version

"Jesus said, "The first in importance is, 'Listen, Israel: The Lord your God is one;" .... "A wonderful answer, Teacher! So lucid and accuratethat God is one" The Message

"Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one." .... You are right in saying that God is one" New International Version

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"Now an intermediary implies more than one; but GOD IS ONE." Gal 3:20 Revised Standard Version

"Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but GOD IS ONE" King James Version

"A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but GOD IS ONE." New International Version

"Now an intermediary implies more than one, but GOD IS ONE." English Standard Version

"Now a mediator is not a mediator of one; but GOD IS ONE." American Standard Version

"and the mediator is not of one, and GOD IS ONE" Youngs Literal Translation

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"You believe that GOD IS ONE; you do well." James 2:19 Revised Standard Version

"thou -- thou dost believe that GOD IS ONE; thou dost well," Youngs Literal translation

"Thou believest that GOD IS ONE; thou doest well:" American Standard Version

"You believe that GOD IS ONE; you do well." Holman Christian Standard Bible.

"*Thou* believest that GOD IS ONE. Thou doest well." Darby Translation.

"Its good that you believe that GOD IS ONE." Common English Bible

"You believe that GOD IS ONE; you do well." English Standard Version

"You believe that GOD IS ONE; you do well." Amplified Bible

"You believe that GOD IS ONE You do well;" New American Standard Bible

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So the Bible teaches clearly that God is ONE.

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"And J-e-h-o-v-a-h shall be King over all the earth: in that day shall J-e-h-o-v-a-h be one, and his name one." Zach 14:9 American Standard Version

"And the LORD shall be King over all the earth. In that day it shall be The LORD is one, And His name one." New King James Version

"And the LORD will be king over all the earth. On that day the LORD will be one and his name one." English Standard Version

"And the Lord shall be King over all the earth; in that day the Lord shall be one [in the recognition and worship of men] and His name one." Amplified Bible

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So it looks a kind of clear to me, which dogma is correct, and which one is invented by men, in order to squeeze in their new extra man-god JC.

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In the service of Y-H-W-H,

Eliyahu, light unto the nations

"Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4

"All the peoples walk each in the name of his god, but as for us; we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God forever and ever!" Micah 4:5

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Thread copied here from the Is God one or three? thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
    
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Message 3 of 87 (703761)
07-29-2013 9:38 AM
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07-29-2013 3:57 AM


Eliyahu

Good research.

I am not a Muslim but I like this ones take on the Trinity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VsN3IG1HtQ

This following is also good research.

Originally Posted by animefan48
Well, the reality is most Christians do buy into the trinity doctrine because of persecution of the early Gnostics and non-Trinitarians, and the religious councils were dissenters were forced to agree to a Trinitarian theology. Many Unitarian and Universalist theologies argue that when Jesus said he was the way, he meant that he was an example of how to live to be united/reunited with God. As for the name, God does give other names for himself including the Alpha and Omega, as well as some believe a name that should not be written (or even spoken I believe). Honestly, I think using the name I Am That I Am would just be confusing and convoluted, seriously. I seriously do not believe that it is a continuation of Gnostic/mystical/Unitarian suppression. Even the Gnostic and mystical traditions within Islam and Christianity do not tend to use that name, and among the 99 Names of Allah, I did not find that one. Also, many Rastafarians believe that the Holy Spirit lives in humans and will sometimes say I and I instead of we, yet they don't seem to use the name I Am for God/Jah either, so I really don't think it can be related to suppressing mystical and Gnostic interpretations. I think that originally oppressing those ideas and decreeing them heretical are quite enough, the early Church did such a good job that after the split many Protestant groups continued to condemn mystical and later Gnostic sects and theologies.

Yup, the bishops voted and it was settled for all time!!1 (Some say the preliminary votes were 150 something to 140 something in favor of the trinity)

But then Constantine stepped in: After a prolonged and inconclusive debate, the impatient Constantine intervened to force an end to the conflict by demanding the adoption of the creed. The vote was taken under threat of exile for any who did not support the decision favored by Constantine. (And later, they fully endorsed the trinity idea when it all happened again at the council of Constantinople in AD 381, where only Trinitarians were invited to attend. Surprise! They also managed to carry a vote in favor of the Trinity.)

http://home.pacific.net.au/~amaxwell/bdigest/bd12bbs.tx

Even a Trinitarian scholar admits the Earliest & Original beliefs were NOT Trinitarian!

The trinity formulation is a later corruption away from the earliest & original beliefs!

"It must be admitted by everyone who has the rudiments of an historical sense that the doctrine of the Trinity, as a doctrine, formed no part of the original message. St Paul knew it not, and would have been unable to understand the meaning of the terms used in the theological formula on which the Church ultimately agreed".
Dr. W R Matthews, Dean of St Paul's Cathedral, "God in Christian Thought and Experience", p.180

"In order to understand the doctrine of the Trinity it is necessary to understand that the doctrine is a development, and why it developed. ... It is a waste of time to attempt to read Trinitarian doctrine directly off the pages of the New Testament".
R Hanson: "Reasonable Belief, A survey of the Christian Faith, p.171-173, 1980

The doctrine of the Trinity is not taught in the Old Testament.
New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1967, Vol. XIV, p. 306.

"The formulation One God in three Persons' was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century.... Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective"
New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1967, Vol. 14, p. 299.

"The formulation One God in three Persons' was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century.... Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective" (New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1967, Vol. 14, p. 299).

"Fourth-century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary a deviation from this teaching" (The Encyclopedia Americana, p. 1956, p. 2941).

Was Jesus God to Paul and other early Christians? No. . . . .
(Source: How the Bible became the Bible by Donald L. O'Dell - ISBN 0-7414-2993-4 Published by INFINITY Publishing.com)

Constantines Victory Arch says it all.

http://www.simchajtv.com/...hristianity-selling-christianity

Regards
DL


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Message 4 of 87 (703763)
07-29-2013 10:18 AM
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07-29-2013 3:57 AM


Bs'd

Well that lost any and all sincerity. Its actually getting kind of annoying.

And then of course, the question arises, "What Biblical proof can the parties present in order to substantiate their claim?"

Proof? Yeah, I doubt there's going to be anything that anyone can show you that you would accept as proof of the trinity.

But so what? Why should I care if the trinity can't be proved by the Bible?

You know what else you can't prove with the Bible? That the Earth is sphere, or that spiders have eight legs. So what?

Christianity cannot bring any proof from the Bible that God is a trinity.

I'm sure you've heard the part about in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and was God. And then later the Word became flesh.

There's also this part in Matthew:

Matt 3: 16-17 (NIV):

quote:
As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. And a voice from heaven said, This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.

Here we have Jesus, the Spirit of God, and God the Father all at the same place at the same time.

So, the Trinity thing isn't just wholly made up. It stems from the Bible, but I agree that there isn't going to be anything like proof in there.

Here is the proof that God is one:

And yet in Genesis, God talks about thing being made "in OUR image" and "they will be like one of US"

So that's proof that God is more than one.


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Message 5 of 87 (703766)
07-29-2013 11:05 AM
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C S

"And yet in Genesis, God talks about thing being made "in OUR image" and "they will be like one of US"

So that's proof that God is more than one."

Are we more than one?
If in God's image we must be. Right?

Are you a Father, Son and Holy spirit?

Would the father in you also have the son murdered or would your father part have the balls that your cowardly God did not have?

Who would you send to die? You or your child?

Regards
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Message 6 of 87 (703768)
07-29-2013 11:12 AM
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Are we more than one?
If in God's image we must be. Right?

No, not necessarily.

Are you a Father, Son and Holy spirit?

I can be a father and a son and I think I have a spirit.

Would the father in you also have the son murdered or would your father part have the balls that your cowardly God did not have?

Who would you send to die? You or your child?

According to the story, God sent himself as his son.


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Message 7 of 87 (703771)
07-29-2013 11:32 AM
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another big YAWN post from GIA
Would the father in you also have the son murdered or would your father part have the balls that your cowardly God did not have?

Yawn.

Still building strawmen I see.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 8 of 87 (703782)
07-29-2013 1:40 PM
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07-29-2013 11:05 AM


Let US make man
Bs'd
Genesis 1:26; "Let us make man" If anybody finds in a text the word "us", would any normal person assume that it refers to one person with a multi-personality disorder? Of course not.
But why then, when Christians see the word "us" in the Bible, do they think that?
Gen 1:26 is used as a 'proof' that there is more than one God, or one God who is not one, eventhough the Bible clearly teaches that there is only one God who is one. and despite the fact that there are several other valid explanations for the plural word "us". One explanation is that it is a majestic plural as used by kings. Another possible explanation is that God was talking to the angels.
Some Christians try to refute the last argument by saying that the angels didn't create. They point to Genesis 1:1; "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." They say: 'God was the creator, and not the angels.' However, it is a given in Jewish law that an emissary is equal to the one who sends him. When a Jewish man marries a woman through an agent, the legal effect is the same as when he marries her personally. A good Biblical example of this is to be found in Genesis 19 where is spoken about the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. God sent two angels to destroy the cities, the angels said to Lot in verse 13: "For we are about to destroy this place, because the outcry against its people has become great before the LORD, and the LORD has sent us to destroy it." Upon this Lot says to his sons in law: "Up, get out of this place; for the LORD is about to destroy the city." Lot didn't say: "The angels are going to destroy the city" He said: "The LORD (Y-H-W-H in the Hebrew text) is going to destroy the city". And in verse 29 it is written: "So it was that, when God destroyed the cities of the valley...." So the angels were send by God to destroy the cities, but God is considered to be the one who did it, because He was the one who sent them. So why shouldn't the same hold true for the creation?
But one way or the other, no plural created man. Look in Genesis 5:1; "When God created man ..." In Hebrew this is: "bara Elohiem adam" Here the verb "to create", in Hebrew "bara", is in the singular, indicating clearly that Elohiem who created man is one. The same goes for the very first verse of the Bible: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." The word created is here written in the singular; it says "bara". If God was a plural, it should have been "baru".

BUT, back to the pronouns, Y-H-W-H says the following:

Isaiah 44:6 This is what Y-H-W-H says- Israel's King and Redeemer, Y-H-W-H Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.

It says "I" am Y-H-W-H. And, as we all know, "I" is singular, and not plural, and therefore no three persons in Y-H-W-H. Otherwise He would have said: "WE are Y-H-W-H."

But no such thing, God says: "I am Y-H-W-H".

No trinity.

Another example of a pronoun:

Nehemiah 9:6 You alone are Y-H-W-H.

As we see, it says that YOU, in the Hebrew singular, not plural are Y-H-W-H.

Again, no YOU, plural, are Y-H-W-H, but YOU singular, are Y-H-W-H.

So no three persons in God.

Another one:

Isaiah 44:6 This is what Y-H-W-H says- Israel's King and Redeemer, Y-H-W-H Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.

Clear what? It doesn't say: This is what Y-H-W-H says- Israel's King and Redeemer, Y-H-W-H Almighty: WE are the first and WE are the last; apart from US there is no God.

No such a thing, it is all SINGULAR.

Another one:

Joel 2:27 Then you will know that I am in Israel, that I am Y-H-W-H your God, and that there is no other;

Again, God says: "I am Y-H-W-H", and not "WE are Y-H-W-H" Such a thing simply doesn't exist.

I can go on and on with this, but these examples suffice. There is NO plurality in God.

And the word "us" when God speaks to the angels, does not imply otherwise.

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In the service of Y-H-W-H,

Eliyahu, light unto the nations

"Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4

"All the peoples walk each in the name of his god, but as for us; we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God forever and ever!" Micah 4:5

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Message 9 of 87 (703785)
07-29-2013 1:58 PM
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07-29-2013 10:18 AM


GOD IS ONE!!!
Proof? Yeah, I doubt there's going to be anything that anyone can show you that you would accept as proof of the trinity.

But so what? Why should I care if the trinity can't be proved by the Bible?

You know what else you can't prove with the Bible? That the Earth is sphere, or that spiders have eight legs. So what?

Bs'd

That spiders have eight legs is a simple observation, you don't need the Bible for that.

Also the fact that spiders have eight legs, does not contradict the Bible.

However, the trinity, the assumption that God is three, flies right in the face of the BIBLICAL revelation that God is one.

I know it is hard to swallow, but better swallow the bitter pill now and change your ways, then that when you get upstairs you find out that you wasted your whole life by running after the wrong God.

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In the service of Y-H-W-H,

Eliyahu, light unto the nations

"Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4

"All the peoples walk each in the name of his god, but as for us; we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God forever and ever!" Micah 4:5

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Message 10 of 87 (703789)
07-29-2013 2:07 PM
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07-29-2013 1:40 PM


Re: Let US make man
Genesis 1:26; "Let us make man" If anybody finds in a text the word "us", would any normal person assume that it refers to one person with a multi-personality disorder? Of course not.

If somebody was talking to you and referred to themself in third person plural, i.e. "us or we", then yeah, you might think they have multiple personality disorder.

But why then, when Christians see the word "us" in the Bible, do they think that?

Because Christians believe in the trinity.

Gen 1:26 is used as a 'proof' that there is more than one God, or one God who is not one, eventhough the Bible clearly teaches that there is only one God who is one.

So, at best, you have a contradiction. But nonetheless, you have God referring to himself in the plural.

and despite the fact that there are several other valid explanations for the plural word "us".

You can speculate all you want, but where is your Biblical proof that God was not referring to himself as plural?

One explanation is that it is a majestic plural as used by kings. Another possible explanation is that God was talking to the angels.

And a third explanation is that he has multiple personality disorder. We can make up all kinds of stuff.

And just because he refers to himself in the singular in other instances does not mean that he is not referring to himself in the plural in this one.


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Message 11 of 87 (703791)
07-29-2013 2:12 PM
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07-29-2013 1:58 PM


Re: GOD IS ONE!!!
Bs'd

That spiders have eight legs is a simple observation, you don't need the Bible for that.

And that the Bible says that Jesus came and said that he was God's son is also simple observation. That the Bible says that God is also the Holy Spirit is also simple observation.

So we can simply observe that the Bible says that God is made up of three different parts.

However, the trinity, the assumption that God is three, flies right in the face of the BIBLICAL revelation that God is one.

Yeah, one with three parts.

I know it is hard to swallow, but better swallow the bitter pill now and change your ways, then that when you get upstairs you find out that you wasted your whole life by running after the wrong God.

Nah, Jesus showed us just how wrong the Jews were.


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Message 12 of 87 (703809)
07-29-2013 4:31 PM
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07-29-2013 1:58 PM


Re: GOD IS ONE!!!
I know it is hard to swallow, but better swallow the bitter pill now and change your ways, then that when you get upstairs you find out that you wasted your whole life by running after the wrong God.

I'm sorry but the god you are marketing is simply too silly for words and certainly unworthy of even respect, much less worship.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 13 of 87 (703821)
07-29-2013 6:23 PM
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Re: GOD IS ONE! But there are Three who are that One
Of course we know that God is ONE, scripture is very clear about that. But scripture also tells us that the Messiah has the attributes of God and that the Holy Spirit has the attributes of God. Scripture says that, scripture. In the Hebrew scriptures there are many hints but two in particular are Jeremiah where the Messiah is called "GOD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS" and the other is Isaiah where He is called WONDERFUL COUNSELOR, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, PRINCE OF PEACE. Sure you can rationalize that away and I know you will but as it stands it is very clearly the Name of the Messiah, His actual nature.

But then we have many places in the New Testament where Jesus identifies Himself with God as well. And the Holy Spirit, again, is described with the attributes of God. AND all three are described as separate individual personalities or "persona." Hence, One God in Three Persons.

Here is one of many studies of the relevant scriptures at Blue Letter Bible, An Outline Study.

This is one of the few subjects that can only be answered by a list of scriptures that is too long to reproduce in a post. Here is a list of the topics covered in the linked outline:

An Outline Study

i.There Is One God
ii.This God is Known In The OT As Jehovah/Yahweh ("The Lord")
iii.God Is A Unique, Incomprehensible Being
iv.Is God One Person?
v.The Father Of Jesus Christ Is God
vi.Jesus Christ Is God
vii.The Holy Spirit Is God
viii.The Father, Son, And Holy Spirit Are Distinct Persons
ix.Conclusion
x.What Difference Does The Doctrine Of The Trinity Make?

So he starts of course with the scriptures that affirm that God is One. The Trinity is revealed by the other scriptures that describe the Messiah as Jehovah God and Jesus Christ as Jehovah God, the Holy Spirit as Jehovah God etc. The Father is one of the three Persons but sometimes is referred to merely as "God" depending on context.

The Lord our God is indeed ONE GOD, but three separate persons make up that one God. ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE. We can't comprehend this but there it is in the scripture so it must be acknowledged.

So if you will consider this honestly you can see that the Trinity is definitely Biblical.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Eliyahu
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Message 14 of 87 (703850)
07-30-2013 4:56 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by New Cat's Eye
07-29-2013 2:07 PM


Re: Let US make man
And a third explanation is that he has multiple personality disorder. We can make up all kinds of stuff.

And just because he refers to himself in the singular in other instances does not mean that he is not referring to himself in the plural in this one.

Bs'd

Since the Bible in many places clear and equivocally states that God is one, it is an absurd notion to assume that God is referring to Himself in the plural because he has a multi-personality disorder.

Or it should be, that He is using a majestic plural.

But one way or another, God is ONE, and not three.

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In the service of Y-H-W-H,

Eliyahu, light unto the nations

"Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4

"All the peoples walk each in the name of his god, but as for us; we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God forever and ever!" Micah 4:5

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Message 15 of 87 (703851)
07-30-2013 5:09 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by New Cat's Eye
07-29-2013 2:12 PM


Re: GOD IS ONE!!!
That spiders have eight legs is a simple observation, you don't need the Bible for that.

And that the Bible says that Jesus came and said that he was God's son is also simple observation.

Bs'd

Well, it is not just "The Bible" saying that, it is the NT saying that.

That the Bible says that God is also the Holy Spirit is also simple observation.

So we can simply observe that the Bible says that God is made up of three different parts.

A more correct observation would be: In order to believe in the NT, you have to believe that God is made up of three parts.

But the believe that God is three, goes against the Biblical revelation that God is one.

Therefore, believing in the NT is not possible without going against the foundation of the Bible that God is one.

Add to that the fact that JC did NOT fulfill the messianic prophecies,

Add to that the fact that it is absolutely totally forbidden to worship anything or anybody else than Y-H-W-H,

And then it should be clear to everybody that the NT is not from God.

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In the service of Y-H-W-H,

Eliyahu, light unto the nations

"Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4

"All the peoples walk each in the name of his god, but as for us; we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God forever and ever!" Micah 4:5

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