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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
According to the Qur'an, Jesus was not born in a manger but under a palm tree
Then she conceived him; and withdrew with him to a remote place. And the throes of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm-tree. She said: Oh, would that I had died before this, and had been a thing quite forgotten! So a voice came to her from beneath her: Grieve not, surely thy Lord has provided a stream beneath thee. And shake towards thee the trunk of the palm-tree, it will drop on thee fresh ripe dates. So eat and drink and cool the eye. Then if thou seest any mortal, say: Surely I have vowed a fast to the Beneficent, so I will not speak to any man to-day. Qur'an 19:22-26 This is the same story but with a different set of 'facts'. What are we to make of this? The Qu'ran also speaks of the Virgin birth by the way, which is kind of interesting
She said, "How can I have a boy while no man has touched me and I have not been unchaste?" He said, "Thus [it will be]; your Lord says, 'It is easy for Me, and We will make him a sign to the people and a mercy from Us. And it is a matter [already] decreed.' " Edited by Tangle, : TypoLife, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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AdminPhat Inactive Member |
Thread copied here from the Jesus was born under a palm tree, not a manger. thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What we should make of it is that the Qur'an is not a Bible just as the Old Testament is not the Tanakh.
Edited by jar, : appalin spallinAnyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
I think it's pretty interesting that the two different religions tell the same story, but with differing 'facts'.
It's like the witnesses to a car crash can agree that there was a some kind of crash but not where, when and how. It either throws added doubt into the pot or it's a further confirmation of it having happened. Personally, I think shows the hallmarks of a long term Chinese whisper.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
quote:That sounds fairly true to life. The Biblical accounts just gloss over the actual birth. The Qur'an seems more likely to be authentic.
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Phat Member Posts: 18310 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
what demon whispered that in your ear? I swear, sometimes you people have more faith in logic and reason than you do in what actually happened!
It all goes back to where you deny Jesus as God. This is where the whole problem starts.
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Jon Inactive Member |
Perhaps the characters are the same. The stories seem completely unrelated.
Love your enemies!
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Tangle Member Posts: 9504 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Jon writes: Perhaps the characters are the same. The stories seem completely unrelated. Well yes, if they were the same there would be nothing to puzzle over and a stronger case for the single story of Jesus's birth being true. The question is, why do they differ? Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
They differ in Christian tradition as well. There is no single nativity story in the Bible either. Plus, his birth doesn't seem to have been very important originally. Luke and the authors or editors of Matthew mention it as well as a few apocryphal texts but neither the author of John or Mark even mention it. Paul seems to be unaware or uninterested in the subject as were all the other authors of stories and letters that made it into the New Testament.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
They differ probably because Mohammed made it up, or his "angel" friend "Gabriel" did. The Quran contains lots of stuff taken out of the Bible including a long passage straight out of Isaiah (IIRC) and mixes up characters from the old and new Testaments. The Quran was written six hundred years after the New Testament.
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frako Member (Idle past 328 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined:
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They differ probably because Mohammed made it up, or his "angel" friend "Gabriel" did. The Quran contains lots of stuff taken out of the Bible including a long passage straight out of Isaiah (IIRC) and mixes up characters from the old and new Testaments. The Quran was written six hundred years after the New Testament. I love it when religious people say that other religions are made up the irony is ... priceless. I guess you just have to have faith right that Mohamed was the true prophet, billions have it and accept it as fact, so much so that they are willing to blow them selves up for their god. Would you strap a bomb to your chest if you heard Jesus in your head saying you should do it. Accept Allah in to your hart and youl get 72 virgins, what do the Jesus blasphemers get in their haven huh? Personally id take 3 fire breathing whores over 72 virgins any day of the weak but to each his own. Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Even an honest atheist who knows the history ought to be able to agree with me about the Quran. As for strapping a bomb to one's person and expecting to receive such a vulgar reward for murder- suicide, that whole scenario OUGHT to be self-condemning but such is our modern moral condition that you'll even treat it as worthy religion. Well, yeah, I guess it does show a sort of "faith" if it can be called that.
The Christian ideal is to die at the hands of others if it comes to that, and die loving them too. Like maybe when a Muslim in his zeal for Allah comes and whacks off your head. I can only pray I might grow into that ideal, I'm nowhere close now. But the difference from Islam ought to be obvious.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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Accept Allah in to your hart and youl get 72 virgins, ...
You forget that that reward is only for the men. For the women, it's 72 young men who will sit there ... and listen to everything they say. I do however agree with you about the irony. As if their stuff isn't completely made up like all religions'!
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Capt Stormfield Member Posts: 429 From: Vancouver Island Joined:
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Even an honest atheist who knows the history ought to be able to agree with me about the Quran. True enough. And an honest Christian should recognize that the Bible is similarly patched together from stories that predate it . Is it awkward turning the crank on your own petard? Edited by Capt Stormfield, : No reason given. Edited by Capt Stormfield, : No reason given.
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frako Member (Idle past 328 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Even an honest atheist who knows the history ought to be able to agree with me about the Quran. As for strapping a bomb to one's person and expecting to receive such a vulgar reward for murder- suicide, that whole scenario OUGHT to be self-condemning but such is our modern moral condition that you'll even treat it as worthy religion. Cmmon trough the whole old testament your gods commands his people to go to war, commit genocide,.... Now suddenly all thats wrong i think the qoran stayed true to its god, while the Christians got tempted by the devil that claimed to take away all their responsibility and sin.
Well, yeah, I guess it does show a sort of "faith" if it can be called that. So isn't faith a virtue?
The Christian ideal is to die at the hands of others if it comes to that, and die loving them too. Like maybe when a Muslim in his zeal for Allah comes and whacks off your head. I can only pray I might grow into that ideal, I'm nowhere close now. But the difference from Islam ought to be obvious. So that would mean that the only true Christians are the Jane's, the rest of you are just fan clubs? Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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