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Nuggin
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Message 1 of 7 (363986)
11-15-2006 9:25 PM


It seems to me that a lot of time and energy has been wasted on these boards (by myself and others) trying to pose arguments that convince others to agree with our point of view. After much frustration I took a break and re-evaluated my approach to the subject of debate as a whole.
Having given this some thought, I’ve come to the realization that virtually all the discussions here can be summed up as a problem of conflicting worldviews.
For example, a scientist approaches a topic with this worldview:
There is an absolute existence that we try to describe through our system of beliefs. Where our beliefs differ from observable fact, it is necessary for us to alter our beliefs to fit the facts.
Whereas a fundamentalist would use this worldview:
There is an absolute system of beliefs that describes existence. Where observable facts differ from our beliefs, it is necessary to alter the facts to fit our beliefs.
For the scientist, the idea of altering facts to fit beliefs is beyond reason. For the fundamentalist, the idea of abandoning one’s beliefs is unacceptable. As such, these two can never come to an understanding.
Every argument will be boiled down to these opposing sides. No amount of evidence will sway the fundamentalist. No amount of scripture will sway the scientist.
Let’s not waste each other’s time.

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Message 2 of 7 (364044)
11-16-2006 7:44 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Nuggin
11-15-2006 9:25 PM


Topic?
Nuggin writes:
Let’s not waste each other’s time.
Does this mean that you wanted to start a topic or not? What point to you wish to further elaborate on? Do you want the opinions of others?
Give me something to work with, here.

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Message 3 of 7 (364099)
11-16-2006 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Nuggin
11-15-2006 9:25 PM


Good topic...
and one that goes to the heart of discussions the Admins have been having.
Where do you think it should go? Coffeehouse is one possibility but Miscellaneous Topics in Creation/Evolution may be better.

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    Nuggin
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    Message 4 of 7 (364102)
    11-16-2006 1:56 PM
    Reply to: Message 3 by AdminJar
    11-16-2006 1:42 PM


    Re: Good topic...
    Seems to me that misc in creation/evolution is probably more approriate place, though I dont know what the status is on current bannings. I'd hate to have the people that need to see it the most unable to comment.

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    AdminJar
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    Message 5 of 7 (364120)
    11-16-2006 3:26 PM
    Reply to: Message 4 by Nuggin
    11-16-2006 1:56 PM


    Re: Good topic...
    Well, if someone would like to participate and cannot they can always contact an admin.

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    Nuggin
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    Message 6 of 7 (364200)
    11-16-2006 9:13 PM
    Reply to: Message 5 by AdminJar
    11-16-2006 3:26 PM


    Re: Good topic...
    True. Let's move it

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    AdminJar
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    Message 7 of 7 (364203)
    11-16-2006 9:22 PM
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    11-16-2006 9:13 PM


    Re: Good topic...
    Promoted to Miscellaneous Topics in Creation/Evolution and this copy closed.

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