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Straightshot
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08-29-2015 7:23 AM


Middle East news update
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Awaiting a good opening post
In order to start a new topic, you need to formulate the premise. What about news updates? Which news specifically? What is your opinion?
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08-29-2015 10:42 AM
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Re: Awaiting a good opening post
Phat

It might be a good idea to combine Revelation's Unfolding with current Middle East News ..... I can do it ..... actually easier for me

This way my postings can be consolidated and simple

Not certain where you would want something like this place on the forum

I have an opening post ready to go for your review:

Straightshot

Here it is:

The region of focus of the Lord's prophets is the Middle East from the Noahic flood [Genesis 6] to our day .... and beyond

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.3836099,47.3002567,4.35z

The book of Daniel has a specific view of the time of the end of this age related to the returned remnant of Israel to the land surrounded by the tiny nation's historical and current virulent enemies in the Middle East [Daniel 2; 7; 8; 9; 11:36-45; 12:1-7]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydwxy9yqhzM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1Pcoxkay2I

Why should the believer in Jesus Christ be interested in Israel and the controversy between Issac [Israel] and Ishmael [the Muslims] set long ago by the Lord Himself?

Genesis
12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will show thee:

12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

http://www.therefinersfire.org/ishmael_and_isaac.htm

Here is why:

If you read Daniel's visions above you will see his future view of a returned Israel to the land after centuries of being exiled over the last 2000 years until our time .... Ezekiel and Micah also see the same [Ezekiel 38; 39; Micah 5]

The "little" horn [king] of Daniel's visions will arise north of Israel [northwestern Mesopotamia] [Syria/Iraq today] [Daniel 7:7-8; 7:19-28; 8:9-25]

This coming king of the north will be a Muslim Caliph who will conquer and rule the Middle East with 10 other related kings .... and this one will invade and occupy Israel, Jerusalem, and the temple mount [Jeremiah 30; Daniel 11:41; Micah 5:5-6; Zechariah 12; 13; 14; Matthew 24:15-16; Luke 21:20-36; Revelation 11:2; 12:6; 12:14]

And it will be in the days of these things that Jesus Christ will intervene to rescue Israel from the king of the north and destroy him and his Islamic followers [Jeremiah 30:8; Ezekiel 38; 39; Daniel 11:45; Joel 3; Micah 5:5-6; Zechariah 14; Revelation 14:14-20; 16:1-16; 19:11-21]

Daniel speaks to Nebuchadnezzar king of the Middle Eastern neo-Babylonian Empire centuries ago:

Daniel
2:20 Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his:

2:21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:

2:22 He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.

2:23 I thank thee, and praise thee, O thou God of my fathers, who hast given me wisdom and might, and hast made known unto me now what we desired of thee: for thou hast now made known unto us the king's matter.

2:24 Therefore Daniel went in unto Arioch, whom the king had ordained to destroy the wise men of Babylon: he went and said thus unto him; Destroy not the wise men of Babylon: bring me in before the king, and I will shew unto the king the interpretation.

2:25 Then Arioch brought in Daniel before the king in haste, and said thus unto him, I have found a man of the captives of Judah, that will make known unto the king the interpretation.

2:26 The king answered and said to Daniel, whose name was Belteshazzar, Art thou able to make known unto me the dream which I have seen, and the interpretation thereof?

2:27 Daniel answered in the presence of the king, and said, The secret which the king hath demanded cannot the wise men, the astrologers, the magicians, the soothsayers, shew unto the king;

2:28 But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;

2:29 As for thee, O king, thy thoughts came into thy mind upon thy bed, what should come to pass hereafter: and he that revealeth secrets maketh known to thee what shall come to pass.

2:30 But as for me, this secret is not revealed to me for any wisdom that I have more than any living, but for their sakes that shall make known the interpretation to the king, and that thou mightest know the thoughts of thy heart.

2:31 Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible.

2:32 This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass,

2:33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.

2:34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

2:35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

2:36 This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king.

2:37 Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory.

2:38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.

2:39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth. [the Persian and the northern Seleucid]

2:40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise. [the little horn's coming kingdom including the 10 other kings]

2:41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes [10], part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

2:42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. [Muslim tribal divides today]

2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

2:46 Then the king Nebuchadnezzar fell upon his face, and worshipped Daniel, and commanded that they should offer an oblation and sweet odours unto him.

2:47 The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.

Joel
3:11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.

3:12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.

3:13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.

3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.

3:15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

3:16 The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

3:17 So shall ye know that I am the LORD your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more.

3:18 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth out of the house of the LORD, and shall water the valley of Shittim.

3:19 Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for the violence against the children of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in their land.

3:20 But Judah shall dwell for ever, and Jerusalem from generation to generation.

3:21 For I will cleanse their blood that I have not cleansed: for the LORD dwelleth in Zion.

The current setting in the Middle East today is moving in the direction for the fulfillment of the visions of the Lord's Bible prophets

The new Islamic State [[ISIS] now occupying parts of Syria and Iraq is the nesting of the northern little horn's coming Middle Eastern kingdom [Ezekiel 38; 39; Daniel 8:9; 11:36-45; 12:7]

Resolving the Syrian war is not the silver bullet for stopping ISIS DEBKAfile Exclusive Analysis August 29, 2015

The war to stop the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) has entered a dark tunnel. And with it the bottomless conflicts in Syria, Yemen, Libya and Iraq. The search for a ray of light moves next week from Moscow to Washington, when Saudi King Salman Bin Abdulaziz makes his first visit as monarch for talks with President Barack Obama.

The three worried Arab rulers received in the Kremlin Tuesday, Aug. 25, by President Vladimir Putin could only talk in circles: Egyptian President Abdel-Fatteh El-Sisi,is embattled on three fronts, Sinai, his border with Libya and Cairo; Jordan’s King Abdullah II – is wedged between two wars; and UAE Crown Prince Sheikh Mohamed bin Zayed Al Nahyan, has sent his army to fight the Yemen insurgency alongside Saudi Arabia.

For them, resolving the Syrian conflict looked like the silver bullet, the key to ending all their troubles. But whichever Russian or Iranian plans and ideas they considered for a way forward, they were all forced to come back to the same impasse. Even Putin and Obama can’t get around or ignore two solid facts:

1. In the year since the US built an international coalition for fighting ISIS, the brutal Islamists have not been cut down; they have instead been empowered to seize more turf outside their Iraqi and Syrian conquests, such big oil fields in Libya, an ascending threat to Egypt and big plans for Lebanon.

2. A major letdown has followed on the high hopes reposed in Iran. The nuclear deal negotiated with the six world powers - and the elevated regional status conferred on Iran - hinged closely on US expectations that Tehran would put up effective military resources for tackling ISIS.
But the Revolutionary Guards, the popular Syrian and Iraqi forces the Guards established,and the Afghan and Pakistani Shiite militias they imported – none have proved a match for ISIS and jihadi tactics.

In Syria, ISIS stands fast, unthreatened in the terrain, towns and oil fields they have captured, in the past year - excepting only on fringe fronts, where they have been forced back by local Kurdish rebel fighters.

Hizballah is a big part of the disappointment. It was supposed to serve as a bulwark against ISIS invading eastern Lebanon from Syria. Instead, these Lebanese Shiite fighters, allies of Assad’s army, are bogged down in a bitter battle for the strategic Syrian town of Zabadani, after failing to breach Syrian rebel defenses in forays from the south, the north or the center.

The door is therefore open for the Islamist State to march into Hizballah’s strongholds in the Lebanese Beqaa valley and head north to the port of Tripoli for a foothold on the Mediterranean.

Whether Bashar Assad stays or goes, which might have made a difference at an early stage of the Syrian insurgency, is irrelevant now that his army and allied forces are in dire straits.

In Iraq, the forces fighting ISIS are equally stumped. The jihadis are in control of a deadly string of strategic towns, Ramadi, Faluja, the refinery city of Baiji, Mosul, and most of the western province of Anbar, including Haditha which commands a key stretch of the Euphrates River. [Revelation 9:13-21; 16:12-21]

Here, too, the Islamist terrorist army’s lines remain intact, unbroken either by the undercover Jordanian Special Forces campaign 200 km inside Anbar, albeit backed by US and Israeli military and intelligence assistance; by the “popular mobilization committees” set up by the Iranian general Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, deputy of the Al Qods chief Qassem Soleimani, or less still by US-trained Iraqi army units.

This week, the impasse spurred two combatants into chilling escalations:

--- Iran began shipping its solid propellant missile, Zelzal-3B (meaning “earthquake”), across the border into Iraq, in the hope that this powerful projectile, with a range of 250km , would give the Revolutionary Guards their doomsday weapon for tipping the scales against ISIS.

--- The Islamists, for their part, embraced a new tactic, known in the west as “SVBIED mobile defense.” Scores of armed vehicles are packed tight with hundreds of tons of explosives and loosed against military convoys on the move and static enemy positions and bases.

This tactic quickly proved itself by killing the 10th Iraqi Division’s chief, deputy and its command staff, as well as the deputy chief of Iraqi forces in Anbar.

In Moscow last week, Putin offered his three Middle East guests Russian nuclear reactors, arms, joint pacts for fighting terror and assorted ideas for the future of Bashar Assad. But he too had no practical proposals for bringing the Islamic State down.

President Obama may likewise offer King Salman all sorts of assistance for standing up to ISIS, but he will find no buyers in Riyadh for his failed policy of reliance on Saudi Arabia’s rival, Iran, for liquidating the Islamist threat looming against the oil kingdom from neighboring Iraq. Neither is US aid much use for stemming the tide of pro-ISIS radicalism spreading among young Saudi men.

As matters stand today, therefore, the Islamic State faces no tangible threat – even if Iran does go ahead and achieve a nuclear bomb

.... however, the real threat is coming from One who never looses

Revelation
16:10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

16:11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

[16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.][Matthew 25:1-13; 1 Thessalonians 5:1-9; Revelation 3:10]

16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

Inspirational

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-JQ1q-13Ek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9UqWhid9LU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwbGjzF3mB0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSlgPtyjvek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjrivXWczGU

Edited by Straightshot, : No reason given.


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Message 4 of 6 (767434)
08-29-2015 11:19 AM
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08-29-2015 10:42 AM


Re: Awaiting a good opening post
Your opening post does contain a lot of information that you have assembled from Other Sites and I am not challenging your years of study regarding this topic. EvC, however, will challenge each premise. Are you prepared to discuss this type of topic with a room of skeptics, giving them proper respect and devoting some time to defending your views---even by listing other sources whom you trust?

Our Forum Guidelines insist that you should

Make the argument in your own words and use links as supporting references.

Avoid lengthy cut-n-pastes. Introduce the point in your own words and provide a link to your source as a reference.

. I realize that you don't like using quote boxes or other formal forum software, but if you hope to leave us with a topic that may be discussed at any length versus another incomplete one for the archives, I suggest you do take the time to appear easily understood.

Keep in mind that you will find few who are inclined to believe biblical Inerrency or even inspiration at this forum. Few will take the time to refer to your scripture references or even to watch (what I found to be) inspirational Gaither You Tube videos.

If you can handle the inevitable criticism and want to take the time to explain to the uninitiated why you feel the way you do about the Bible and the teaching of other prophecy teachers, I will promote one topic which combines your previous two.

This may or may not be received with interest at these forums, but the clearer you are at expressing yourself, the more likely you are to get a response. As a Christian, you might ask yourself whether you want to engage a skeptical,humanist, highly educated audience or whether it is easier (and safer) to stick with Christian Prophecy Forums.

I will tell you from personal experience that this is a hard audience to convince. It is good practice for you personally, in regards to writing your convictions and reasoning behind your beliefs.


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Straightshot
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08-29-2015 12:40 PM
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Re: Awaiting a good opening post
Phat

I can comply with your forum rules .... no problem

And I have very thick skin, so I know how to handle scoffers

I have also been on many boards over the last 10 years, so I know the theater

.... a tough environment today

What is the next step in getting a posting

And I would prefer the title of "Israel and the Middle East"

Where would you like to have this posted?

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