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Davidjay 
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Message 1 of 7 (805144)
04-16-2017 9:58 AM


Seeing its Easter, and because of the great demand and interest by evolutionists to try and deny the Messianic Prophecies, I would propose, we discuss the simple math details of DANIEL Chapter 9, that pinpoint when the Messiah had to die exactly. This done from known and verifiable and exact historical dates, to the death year the Messiah became the Messiah. When He delivered from death all people, with His DEATH and atonement for ALL SINS for ALL PEOPLE for ALL TIME.

From this 69 week template, we can then go on to discuss and prove and verify the basic, standard, well known framework for the last week or 7 Years.... this being talked about in all the major prophets of the End Time. Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Zechariah, Joel, Amos, etc etc etc as well as Revelation, and Jesus;s on discourse in Mathew etc etc...

Very easy to understand, it only takes Grade Six Math, and covers past history, as well as the future time ahead.

The Lord is EXACT and has prophesied the exact timing or

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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

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Message 2 of 7 (805285)
04-17-2017 10:14 AM
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04-16-2017 9:58 AM


This study is especially good at showing our Jewish brethren that the Messiah already came. His coming the first time did fulfill Daniels time prophecy with historical dates they surely are aware of in Jewish Old Testament History. These dates are established and undeniable, so that a simple computation, of multiplying 7 times 69 yields 483 years after the going forth of the commandment to build and restore the Jews temple area.

This was started in 454 B.C. and finished in 405 B.C. (exactly 49 years as prophesied, add ing 434 years (or 62 weeks) onto this meant the Messiah had to be cut off in 29/30 AD.

What Messiah do you Jews or Gentiles or denying evolutionists was cut off or crucified and resurrected at that time period ?

So to many and all people including the Jews, this is an established time frame and exact fulfilled prophesy that absolutely establishes Jesus as the Messiah, unless you have a different one back then that established a worldwide religion and fulfilled all the Messianic prophecies.

Let the debate begin, mathematically and then let the conclusion in history and spirituality BEGIN.

David


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

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Message 3 of 7 (806316)
04-24-2017 12:29 PM
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04-17-2017 10:14 AM


Ringo wants more prophecy proofs, rather than just Revelation 13.. why not allow the classic, EndTime Prophecy Timeline of Daniel 9

SEE Revelation 13 Economics Thread


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

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Message 4 of 7 (806384)
04-25-2017 10:50 AM


Lets begin, and show the mathematics of Daniel 9
Daniel 9 the 'Last 7 Years'

As the Lord himself said,Whosoever readeth, let him understand what Daniel the prophet said about the LAST Days. (Mathew
24: 15 ¦..). In other words, if we want to know what the Lord will be doing in the ENDTIME, we have to study and learn what
His prophet Daniel said about the 'LAST SEVEN YEARS'.

This basic outline is all wrapped up in a few verses in Daniel Chapter Nine. So if you open up your Bibles, and hopefully they
will be King James Version Bibles if you are to truly be able to cross reference what is said in the spirit to the rest of the Bible.
Anyway, go to Chapter 9, verse 24. I'll write down the exact verse as we go along and put my comments in parenthesis. But this
is shown graphically on the Messianic Timeline

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of
sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophesy, and
to anoint the most Holy.

So no matter how you look at it, for all these things to be accomplished it definitely has to be the End of things as we know it
and the Lord of Lords has to have returned to straighten things out. Why because we certainly dont have an end of sin and
iniquity in the world today, and we certainly dont have everlasting righteous reigning in todays courts nor institutions. Besides,
without the Lords 2nd return, how can there be peace on earth without the Prince of Peace who will bring in everlasting
righteousness. So until He gets anointed as the Rightful Heir and Rightful Ruler of this wicked world, His prophecies through
ALL of his prophets have not been fulfilled nor His vision completed.

Therefore as this beautiful mathematical prophecy states there will be seventy (70) weeks determined upon us, his people
(spiritual Israel) and upon his holy city, (the City of David ¦Jerusalem), before it gets cleansed.

25 Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the
Messiah the prince shall be seven (7) weeks, and three score (3 times 20 = 60) and two weeks. (Making a grand total of 7 + 60 +
2 = 69 weeks).

O.K. Were going up until the Messiah, or the promised Savior for He was prophesied about from the very beginning by all
including Adam and all his descendants, for He was called 'The Son of Man', our Redeemer because He was the Promised One to
come that would save us from our original sins. So who was this Messiah and when did he come?

Well, as Daniel is told, the 70 weeks start from the going forth of the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem. Yet Daniel is
speaking in about 534 B.C. at a time when the Lords people have been scattered and many of them taken into CAPTIVITY to
Babylon, as was the case with Daniel himself. The Temple of Solomon in Jerusalem had been destroyed by the conquering army
of Nebacanezar, the King of Babylon in 586 B.C., and the whole Temple Mount area in Jerusalem was in shambles. And it was
to stay that way, all the way up until the time of Artaxerses King of the Medes, because His father Darius the Mede had
defeated Beltezazar the son of Nebancanezar. For it took until 454. B.C. before Artaxerxes yielded to the request of Nehemiah
asking the king to allow him and others to return and rebuild the city of their father selpuchre and their temple, back in Judah.
(Nehemiah 2:5).

So according to Daniel, this first period of time from the going forth of this commandment to rebuild would take seven (7) weeks,
until the street shalt be built again and the wall, even in troublous times. Why did it take so long, simply because while Nehemiah
and his men were building the wall and city, they were also having to fight off attacks from those that didn?t want them to finish
the completion of the Lord's wall.. (Nehemiah 4; 7,8). Yet they accomplished their task in 405 B.C, 49 years after beginning. So
let's see, if 7 weeks equaled 49 years, mathematically that would mean that one week in Daniel's prophecy would be equal to 7
years.

See this GRAPHICALLY at MESSIAH TIME LINE

But let's check, it to make sure. and lo and behold the original Hebrew word used here in the Old Testament was 'Shebua'. And
the meaning of Shebua is seven. So just as the Lord created everything in seven days or what we call a week even today, this
word 'Shebua' meant seven. And if you take seven shuba's that would make 7 x 7 or 49 years.

Great, so we have a match, and all is perfectly matching both history, language and mathematics, as the Lord fulfilled his
never-failing Word. .So now let's take the second time period, which Daniel says takes three score and two weeks until the
Messiah Shall be cut off.. That's 62 weeks or 62 x 7 equals 434 years from the finishing of the wall in Jerusalem. So we add 432
years onto 405 B.C. but because the time line Before Christ went downward towards zero and then onward positively as the
years of A.D. passed, we subtract 434 from 405 meaning we have a difference of 29. But hold everything, there was no year 0,
whether B.C. or A.D. so let's add one more year to our positive number of 29 making our projected cut off date for the Messiah
to be 30 A.D.

(Part 1)


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

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Message 5 of 7 (806490)
04-26-2017 1:42 AM
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04-25-2017 10:50 AM


Re: Lets begin, Daniel 9 Part 2
Daniel 9 (Part Two)

All right, all you historians, do you know of any great men that died in 30 A.D , any great religious leaders that
died at that time ?..Thats right Jesus Christ, the real King of the Jews for as Josephius the historian said and as the
authors of the Gospels wrote about, this Jesus was cut off and crucified in the Year 30. A.D. So let's look again at
what Daniel said in verse 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, BUT NOT FOR
HIMSELF.

So who did He did for, thats right? He died for our sins and not for any sins of his own, for He was the only perfect
man to have lived here on earth. Amazing and its all right here in Daniel proven by a mathematical prophecy that
absolutely proves that the Jews Messiah has already come, the Savior for all people had to be cut off in 30 A.D. And
He was. There is no other, and there will be no other Earthly Messiah coming again to the Earth, even though the
evil Anti-Christ will claim to be such. Jesus already came and already died for us. So now you know and now you can
prove it through scriptures and through mathematics and a simple time line.

O.K. but Daniel goes on in verse

26b And the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary: and the end thereof shall
be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined

And this is actually what happened because the people of the Prince (of the air, the Devil - Ephesians 2: 2) did come
to Jerusalem and did destroy the city under the leadership of the Roman General Titus, in 70 A.D, just 40 years after
Jesus's crucifixion and resurrection. But the war was not over way back in 70 A.D. as Titus and his army were just
people of the Prince of the darkness of this world. This war continues on as described by all the prophets, til today
and will only be culminated by the coming of the Lord and then His and our return to Earth to annihilate the Anti-
Christ forces once and for all at the Battle of Armageddon. Until that time ‘desolations, wars, famines and plaques
are determined and shall come (Mathew 24 : 5-8).

And NOW, the last Seven Years verse. Why because we are missing one week, we have accounted for 69 weeks, up
until the Messiah was cut off, and obviously there is a Gap and break in time because everlasting righteousness,
obviously didnt start in 37 A.D.I mean, 7 years after the resurrection of the Lord, He did not return and fulfill all
prophecies as the great majority of them are yet to be fulfilled. So verse 27, will tell us when this LAST SEVEN
YEARS will begin

27 And he (the Anti-Christ or the Prince of the Covenant) shall confirm the Covenant with many for one week:
and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease and for the overspreading of
abominations he shall make it desolate even until the consummation and that determined shall be poured upon the
desolate.

So to help in understanding this most important and most fundamental scripture in all PROPHECY for the
ENDTIME, lets break it down into smaller more understandable sections. The anti-christ forces of all the world join
together (with the Lords permission to fulfill His Will) by signing a Peace Covenant between the Mid-East parties, so
that a New Temple can be built on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. This covenant is sometimes called the ‘holy
covenant throughout Daniel 11, because it deals with a peace agreement between the Muslims and the Jews and a
way for all three major religions to share their common sacred area the Temple Mount (See Daniel 11). And
according to both Daniel and John in Revelations, there are going to be ten toes or ten kings that sign this peace
covenant. ( Daniel 2: 42 ..7:24 & Revelations 17: 2)

Then the prophet Daniel says, that in the midst of the week, that would be after 3 and a half years because we have
already figured out that one week equals 7 years, then after 3 and a half years, 'he (the Anti-Christ) shall cause the
sacrifice and oblation (in the soon to be built Jewish temple (See Dan 8:13,14 class) to cease'. In other words, because
the Anti-Christ , or Beast, wants the world to believe He is the Christ ‘and sitteth in the Temple of God, shewing
himself that he is God' (2 Thessalonians 2: 4)., then he will want All people to worship Him rather than to sacrifice to
the Jewish God, or the Christian God or the Muslim God for all must worship Him or die.

And when it says, for the overspreading of abominations he (the A.C. ) shall make it desolate basically means that
anything and every abominable thing he does will be geared for separating us from the true Lord, for whether this is
referring to his worldwide economic and MARK system or an interactive voice COMPUTER system so that All will be
forced into compliance to His words, they all will make those on Earth desolate. And this desolation will continue all
they way up until the CONSUMMATION , better known as the Battle of Armageddon where the Lord and His saints
take true vengeance on the A.C. and His followers. (Revelations 19).

So this all takes 3 and a half years according to our earlier calculations, and if we compare this time which Jesus
called ‘The Tribulation (Mathew 24 : 15 ) all the way up until His coming (Mathew 24: 21-30), with scriptures in
Revelations.. And lo and behold the same figure comes up. For in Revelations 12: 6, & 14 it says we shall flee into the
wilderness for 42 months or 1260 days which is of course 3 and a half years, so we have compliance which again
means we were right concerning our mathematics in the whole chapter of Daniel 9. Why do scriptures back
themselves up, because they were written by the Lord and he just used men to write them down. Consequently seeing
they came from His hand, they agree with one another and we can have absolute faith in them. (2 Tim 3: 16).

But as Daniel concludes and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate Because those that have chosen the
Anti-Christ and His MARK and have chosen to worship Him and their materialism (Revelations 13 & 17) will have to
endure Tribulation or the second half of the LAST 7 YEARS. They will have to survive both the 7 trumpets of
Revelations 8 & 9, but also the 7 vials of the WRATH of God described in Revelations 16. For whosoever doesn't fall
humbly upon the ROCK called Jesus shall have the ROCK fall upon them. (Daniel 2: 34)

So choose Jesus today (See Salvation class) and survive by the Love and Grace of the Lord through the LAST SEVEN
YEARS and onto into Eternity forever.

Love in Jesus

Jay (Jordan)


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

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Message 6 of 7 (807091)
04-30-2017 8:54 PM
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04-26-2017 1:42 AM


Re: Lets continue, Daniel 9 's missing week
Go to http://www.davidjayjordan.com/TimeProphecy.html to view,
graphics, that are self explanatory, and is cohesive

********************************

The Last Seven Years
Missing Week
Great Tribulation
Messiah Returns
2nd Coming
MESSIAH DIES
/
/--49 years--/--------------62 times 7 = 434 years -----------------------------/ / 7 years
One week equals 7 years
Therefore starting from Daniel 9 :24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to
finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting
righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. (O.K. so seventy weeks is the
length of our timeline.)

Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build
Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built
again, and the wall, even in troublous times.(From this, the start of the timeline of the 70 weeks is from the time, the
Jews were allowed to go and rebuild their Temple by the Medo=Persians, after it was destroyed by the Babylonians
back in 586 B.C. The time of this order to allow the Jews to return and build was in 454 B.C. by Arthexertses. But as
said, this was to last only seven weeks until it was accomplished by Nehemaih and others.in 405 B.C. And seeing this
time period was called seven weeks and it took 49 years, then obviously a week was equal to 7 years. For even in
Hebrew, the word week is Shebuah, and means 7 years.

Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the
prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

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Message 7 of 7 (807092)
04-30-2017 8:57 PM


I would assume Admin, that these words and graphs directly from the Book of Daniel, sufficiently outline what we can discuss and what might need explaining further... in this proposed NEW TOPIC.

You can put it in Bible Studies or wherever you choose as the title itself is also self explanatory, unless you change the title as well.

Whatever, there be DANIEL 9, the basic timeline of prophecy of the endtime.

David

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


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The Lord is the GREAT SCIENTIST as He created SCIENCE and ALL LAWS and ALL MATTER and of course ALL LIFE. God is the Great Architect, Designer and Mathematician. Evolutioon is not mathematical and says there is no DESIGN but that all things came about by sheer LUCK.

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