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RAZD
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Message 1 of 7 (818063)
08-23-2017 10:13 AM


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Young Earth creationism (YEC) is a form of the religious belief of creationism[1] which holds that the universe, Earth, and all life on Earth were created by direct acts of God less than 10,000 years ago.[2] Its primary adherents are Christians who subscribe to a literal interpretation of the creation narrative in the Bible's Book of Genesis and believe that God created the Earth in six 24-hour days.[3][4] In contrast to YEC, old Earth creationism is the belief in a metaphorical interpretation of the Book of Genesis and the scientifically-determined estimated ages of the Earth and Universe.[5]

Since the mid-20th century, young Earth creationists—starting with Henry Morris (1918–2006)—have devised and promoted a pseudoscientific explanation called "creation science" as a basis for a religious belief in a supernatural, geologically recent creation. ...

The rise of fundamentalist Christianity at the start of the 20th century saw a renewed interest in proposals that the Earth was thousands of years old, as a part of the movement's rejection of evolution. ...


YECism is fairly young compared to other traditional (denomination) beliefs, a "form of the religious belief of creationism" and my question is whether this "form" is a sect or a cult?

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A sect is a subgroup of a religious, political, or philosophical belief system, usually an offshoot of a larger group. Although the term was originally a classification for religious separated groups, it can now refer to any organization that breaks away from a larger one to follow a different set of rules and principles.

... In the church-sect typology they are described as newly formed religious groups that form to protest elements of their parent religion (generally a denomination). Their motivation tends to be situated in accusations of apostasy or heresy in the parent denomination; they are often decrying liberal trends in denominational development and advocating a return to true religion. The American sociologists Rodney Stark and William Sims Bainbridge assert that "sects claim to be authentic purged, refurbished version of the faith from which they split".[4] ...


As a fairly recent group that relies heavily on a fundamentalist interpretation of Christianity, YECism certainly qualifies as a sect outside the mainstream umbrella of (denominational) Christian beliefs.

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The term cult usually refers to a social group defined by its religious, spiritual, or philosophical beliefs, or its common interest in a particular personality, object or goal. ... In the sociological classifications of religious movements, a cult is a social group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices, ...

Beginning in the 1930s, cults became the object of sociological study in the context of the study of religious behavior.[11] ...

The term "new religious movement" refers to religions which have appeared since the mid-1800s. Many, but not all of them, have been considered cults. ...


There seems to me to be a fine line between sect and cult, particularly when the beliefs are strongly fundamentalist, insist on having their own facts and interpretations which are at odds with mainstream beliefs and particularly when they are at odds with the reality of the world around us. There certainly are a number of people that can be classified as charismatics (or used car salesmen ... ).

My position is that YECism is a cult that uses convenient lies, comfortable misinformation, and selective half truths mixed with fantasy, and it relies on general uneducated ignorance to push a set of beliefs that are at odds with reality (the earth is not young, there was no flood).

It crossed the line when it began advocating religious misinformation be included in science texts and building monuments to ignorance (the Creation "Museum" and the Ark "Encounter" theme park).

Let the howling begin.

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08-23-2017 10:24 AM
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Message 3 of 7 (818096)
08-23-2017 1:03 PM
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08-23-2017 10:13 AM


I don't think YECism is either a sect or a cult. It is an umbrella belief system that covers multiple sects and cults - it is not a cohesive group in and of itself.
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Message 4 of 7 (818118)
08-23-2017 3:40 PM
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08-23-2017 10:13 AM


I think YECism is a cult in the sense of "mind-control cult". They certainly don't want their adherents studying science. They need their own schools, museums, etc. to prevent it.

It crosses sect boundaries - e.g Seventh-Day Adventists and (other) Fundamentalists - not to mention Muslims.


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Message 5 of 7 (818311)
08-26-2017 5:55 PM


RAZD has fallen for OEC propaganda.
OECs were trained to constantly use terms like "Ussher's chronology" and other slights of hand to make it seem like YEC views were some freakish modern invention.

The YEC view was universal. (outside of pagan India and perhaps other non Western nations that is)

Why do you think Charles Lyell put the age of the Earth as young as 100,000 years old even after his groundbreaking 1831 book?

(I think his range was 100,000 to 1 million but I'm not too sure)

Answers in Genesis is actually correct in one area anyway (The Fundamentals of the early 20th century are irrelevant except perhaps as a catalyst for action on the part of YECs, but YECs were the vast overwhelming majority and the numerical superiority over OECs were even greater the further back you go)


    
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Message 6 of 7 (818312)
08-26-2017 6:00 PM
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08-23-2017 3:40 PM


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I think YECism is a cult in the sense of "mind-control cult". They certainly don't want their adherents studying science.

But Creationism itself was a respectable belief until about 1859.

And many of the founders of the various fields in modern science would have been on the creationist side.

Even more shocking is that well into the 1900s, you had leading lights (like Mendel) who were creationists.

This isn't quite as simple of an issue as some like to make it.

(The evidence is in NOW for an old earth and even evolution itself - rather decisively, but the older creationist views have the weight of nearly all of recorded human history on their side)


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Message 7 of 7 (818359)
08-27-2017 2:21 PM
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08-26-2017 6:00 PM


LamarkNewAge writes:

But Creationism itself was a respectable belief until about 1859.


So were astrology and alchemy. Along with creationism, they were disproven by science.
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