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Pressie
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Message 1 of 40 (822038)
10-18-2017 4:34 AM


Apparently there's a new Bible Museum opening up in DC.

According to news reports it's the brain child of Steve Green of Hobby Lobby fame and financed by his family. The museum is described as flamboyant with eight floors and 430 000 square feet of floor space.

Ironically enough not much involves Jesus at all, but a depiction of the Virgin Mary features prominently. Neither the crucifixion nor the resurrection of Jesus is mentioned at all.

The museum will host one of the largest Torah collections in the world as well as a room depicting Noah's Ark with accompanying sounds of animals, etc.

Unfortunately the photo's I have come from an Afrikaans website. The heading of that article reads Bible Museum contains very little about Jesus.

Now conservative Christians are all up in arms about it. They don't want it to be called a Bible Museum, but something like a Jewish and Catholic Museum.

What's your take on it?

Religious forums please.

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Message 2 of 40 (822040)
10-18-2017 5:28 AM


Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Thread copied here from the Bible Museum in DC thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.

It could fit in several forums but I chose to place it here. The project is well financed and will provide a substantial tax write-off for the donors.

It boasts of being tech saavy for Generation Z. They started with net assets of $474 Million Dollars. 15% of the 2016-17 budget will go for fund raising. Looks like a viable cash cow for the investors. Hopefully not a Golden Calf, however.

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Message 3 of 40 (822041)
10-18-2017 5:44 AM
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10-18-2017 4:34 AM


Cash Cow or Golden Calf?
David Green, 75, has a personal fortune estimated at 6.3 Billion Dollars. His son, Steve is on the board of directors. Everything I've seen about this project speaks of 501 C3 tax exempt status, which will allow the Green family and other investors to write a large portion of their donations off. That's probably also why the family linked up with wealthy Catholics and Jews to house exhibits pertaining more to their respective religions. The jury is still out regarding the accuracy of the information within the museum, but I expect it isn't as biased as Ken Hams Creation Museum.

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Pressie
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Message 4 of 40 (822042)
10-18-2017 6:17 AM
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10-18-2017 5:44 AM


s.It's basically Re: Cash Cow or Golden Calf?
Thanks. The "museum" is thus basically opened to write off some taxes.

The conservative protestant Christians are having heart attacks, though. To them the word "Bible" means 66 Books...not the 73 books of mainstream Catholic Bibles nor the 24 books of Mainstream Hebrew Bibles.


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Message 5 of 40 (822043)
10-18-2017 6:23 AM
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Re: Cash Cow or Golden Calf?
Phat writes:

David Green, 75, has a personal fortune estimated at 6.3 Billion Dollars

So, he's very poor compared to another more prominent person who claims to be worth 7 Billion.
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Message 6 of 40 (822044)
10-18-2017 6:41 AM
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10-18-2017 6:17 AM


Re: s.It's basically Re: Cash Cow or Golden Calf?
Pressie writes:

The conservative protestant Christians are having heart attacks, though. To them the word "Bible" means 66 Books...not the 73 books of mainstream Catholic Bibles nor the 24 books of Mainstream Hebrew Bibles.

So called "Biblical Christians" have always suffered under the delusion that there is such a thing as "The Bible™". It's simply another example of their willful ignorance.


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Message 7 of 40 (822046)
10-18-2017 6:52 AM
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Re: s.It's basically Re: Cash Cow or Golden Calf?
Maybe the problem is childhood indoctrination? I'm one of the persons who believed that the Mainstream Protestant Bibles are the only Bibles around. Till I met The Interwebs (as my mother calls it).
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Message 8 of 40 (822047)
10-18-2017 6:58 AM
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10-18-2017 4:34 AM


I wonder how many of the exhibits were smuggled into the country or bought from looters.
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Message 9 of 40 (822048)
10-18-2017 7:01 AM
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10-18-2017 6:52 AM


Re: s.It's basically Re: Cash Cow or Golden Calf?
Not just childhood but a continuing cult of indoctrination and brain washing. They have their own alternate universe, their own TV channels, Radio Stations and particular chapters of Club Christian restrict their members to those media channels. They have browsers and search engines that filter the results returned and limit access to conflicting data.

They have their own schools and colleges and text books and even their own accrediting boards.

It's an amazing example of life long isolation and insulation; willful ignorance writ large.

It is not all Christianity though. I was raised in a Christian household and educated in a Christian School.


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Pressie
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Message 10 of 40 (822051)
10-18-2017 7:24 AM
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10-18-2017 7:01 AM


Re: s.It's basically Re: Cash Cow or Golden Calf?
Yes, but the Calvinistic Christian Church I was raised in has changed it's mind rather rapidly. They accept science nowadays. Maybe it's because thay lost their young, educated (and therefore higher income members) too rapidly for them to keep on going the way they did? At their peak they had around 3 million members. It hasn't worked for them, though. The whole organisation is has been loosing, on average, around 20 000 members a year. For twenty years. It doesn't bode well for the future.
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Message 11 of 40 (822052)
10-18-2017 7:35 AM
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10-18-2017 7:24 AM


Re: s.It's basically Re: Cash Cow or Golden Calf?
Pressie writes:

The whole organisation is has been loosing, on average, around 20 000 members a year. For twenty years. It doesn't bode well for the future.

Oh yes it does :-)


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Message 12 of 40 (822053)
10-18-2017 7:36 AM
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10-18-2017 6:58 AM


PaulK writes:

I wonder how many of the exhibits were smuggled into the country or bought from looters.

I've been wondering about that, too. I just don't want to put it into words on the "interwebs" as I don't have 6.3 Billion Dollars to pay to lawyers to try and defend myself in a US court.
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Message 13 of 40 (822054)
10-18-2017 8:03 AM
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10-18-2017 7:36 AM


It's already on the interwebs

The smuggling of artefacts that were very likely looted is fact - and there are plenty of reports of the settlement

E.g.
Hobby Lobby Agrees to Forfeit 5,500 Artifacts Smuggled Out of Iraq


Hobby Lobby’s purchase of the artifacts in December 2010 was fraught with “red flags,” according to the prosecutors. Not only did the company get conflicting information about the origin of the pieces, its representatives never met or spoke with the dealer who supposedly owned them, according to the complaint.

Instead, on the instructions of a second dealer, Hobby Lobby wired payments to seven separate personal bank accounts, the prosecutors said. The first dealer then shipped the items marked as clay or ceramic tiles to three Hobby Lobby sites in Oklahoma. All of the packages had labels falsely identifying their country of origin as Turkey, prosecutors said.

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Message 14 of 40 (822186)
10-20-2017 5:49 PM
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10-18-2017 4:34 AM


I am only going to comment on one part of this:

Now conservative Christians are all up in arms about it. They don't want it to be called a Bible Museum, but something like a Jewish and Catholic Museum.

Plain stupid. Apparently, some folks have lost awareness of where the Bible comes from. What part of the Bible was not written by Jews? In what way are conservative Christian claims on the Bible stronger than Jewish or Catholic claims?

Not featuring Jesus is a little strange, but there is not enough detail here to assess whether "not much involves Jesus" is an apt description. But Jesus is not mentioned in most of the Bible. The Old Testament is about 3/4 of the Bible, and of course, the Gospels are highly duplicative.

The proper response to this is building your own museum, rather than whining about someone else's vision.


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Message 15 of 40 (822187)
10-20-2017 5:54 PM
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10-20-2017 5:49 PM


And after all, Jesus was a Jew not a Christian anyway; born a Jew, lived as a Jew, died as a jew.

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